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    • UDb23U
      UDb23 @caver01
      last edited by

      @caver01 said in FBA vs. MAME:

      Still, several vector titles are missing.

      Roms added to the file.
      Vector games MUST be played with Advancemame, no doubt :-)

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      • AndersHPA
        AndersHP @Darksavior
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        @darksavior said in FBA vs. MAME:

        @andershp rtype and rtype2 run fine on fba.

        I haven't tested rtype2, but rtype has sound glitches in FBA that is not there in MAME, and otherwise there's no difference. Played the heck out of rtype at the MAME ROW, and it's flawless in MAME.

        My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
        My Gameboy

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        • AndersHPA
          AndersHP @caver01
          last edited by

          @caver01 said in FBA vs. MAME:

          @AndersHP why no AdvanceMAME love? Your vector games will thank you for it.

          Yeah, I'm just not really that into vector games, so haven't prioritized it at all. Also, it's not a libretro-core is it?

          My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
          My Gameboy

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          • DarksaviorD
            Darksavior @AndersHP
            last edited by

            @andershp I played through the first level and didn't notice audio bugs. Oh well..

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            • caver01C
              caver01 @AndersHP
              last edited by

              @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

              @caver01 said in FBA vs. MAME:

              @AndersHP why no AdvanceMAME love? Your vector games will thank you for it.

              Yeah, I'm just not really that into vector games, so haven't prioritized it at all. Also, it's not a libretro-core is it?

              Nope.

              My 4-player cocktail style cabinet built as a custom "roadcase"

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              • AndersHPA
                AndersHP @caver01
                last edited by AndersHP

                @caver01 said in FBA vs. MAME:

                These should be AdvanceMAME, despite what @ AndersHP thinks ;-).

                Above lists have been updated, so I split MAME-libretro and ADVMAME into two, whilst adding the games @caver01 mentioned.
                Though, I cannot find the game roughrac.zip. It doesn't seem to be part of MAME2003 or FBA 0.2.97.42? MAME 0.106 perhaps? Never tried this romset...

                Also: is it true that the best way to get ADVMAME running on a fresh setup would be a MAME 0.106 romset and the latest ADVMAME 3.x version?

                My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                My Gameboy

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                • AndersHPA
                  AndersHP @dudleydes
                  last edited by AndersHP

                  @dudleydes will this line do the same job, but provide extra lists to the emulators.cfg file, without overwriting previous inputs, and is the name of the emulator correct?

                   ls -1 /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/mame-advmame | sed -e 's/\.zip$//' -e 's/_//g' -e 's/^/arcade_/' -e 's/$/ = "advmame"/' >> /opt/retropie/configs/all/emulators.cfg
                  

                  ?

                  My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                  My Gameboy

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                  • UDb23U
                    UDb23 @AndersHP
                    last edited by

                    @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                    roughrac.zip

                    Emulated in mame since .95; would expect it to run both in advmame (.106) and lr-mame2010 (.139). Haven't tried yet .

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                    • caver01C
                      caver01 @AndersHP
                      last edited by

                      @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                      Though, I cannot find the game roughrac.zip. It doesn't seem to be part of MAME2003 or FBA 0.2.97.42? MAME 0.106 perhaps? Never tried this romset...

                      Yes, I see in the .106 that roughrac.zip is Rough Racer (Japan, FD1094 317-0058-06b).

                      Also: is it true that the best way to get ADVMAME running on a fresh setup would be a MAME 0.106 romset and the latest ADVMAME 3.x version?

                      Yes. However, some folks have reported better performance with 1.4 (same 106 romset) but I have had the opposite experience. I have found games like Golden Tee variants work better in the 3.x versions. Video bugs have apparently been corrected in version 3.x that were present in 1.4 and earlier, and you can always swap between them with runcommand if you want to try 1.4 since the ROM is the same. I have never seen any benefit/reason to use AdvanceMAME .94.

                      I see four main reasons besides the romset that you might want to use AdvanceMAME. First, it was build to support custom video situations, arcade monitors etc. where you can specify the modeline and define the exact timing of the video scanlines. Of course, this requires the support of hardware and is not as useful for those of us on a Pi using HDMI. But if you were trying to configure a CRT, this might be really handy, and it is essential on other hardware using an arcade monitor.

                      Second, AdvanceMAME has a superior control mapping scheme that allows you to matrix just about any combination of controls. For example, if your goal is a three trackball Rampart cabinet, you can do that. You want to run four spinners and pay Warlords? No problem. The configuration is very flexible Although great strides have been made recently in RetroArch too with respect to analog indexing and lightgun support, AdvanceMAME has always been ahead of others in that regard.

                      Third, the rendering of vector games is the best of all of the arcade emulators we have. It draws lines at native resolution. You can also control the quality of the vector in terms of brightness, flicker, line thickness, etc. Check out this post for some ideas and images.

                      Finally, AdvanceMAME includes AdvanceMESS. There may be other system-specific emulators that do a better job, but MESS is a nice tool to have. You need to jump through some hoops to get it running the way you want but it is possible (I have 3.x running as my Apple II emulator).

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                        dudleydes @AndersHP
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                        @andershp Yes that command should do it.

                        You can check the string to be used in the command by checking in opt/retropie/configs/all/emulators.cfg

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                        • AndersHPA
                          AndersHP
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                          I just want to let people know, that following the above mentioned lists and commandlines, I have succesfully merged MAME2003 (0.78)/FBA 0.2.97.42/ADVMAME 0.106 in my Arcade folder, and the best core are chosen for the best versions of games.

                          I don't know how much maintenance it will demand on longer sight (probably manually editing a game at a time if something doesn't work), but for now, it's really great that everything is centralized and optimized for best core. Recommendations!

                          My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                          My Gameboy

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                          • mituM
                            mitu Global Moderator @AndersHP
                            last edited by mitu

                            @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                            Recommendations!

                            Cadillacs and Dinosaurs !

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                            • strangerukS
                              strangeruk
                              last edited by

                              Wow, this thread has been most useful in sorting out my arcade section! Big thanks to @dudleydes, @AndersHP and @Pussyfoot for their contributions.

                              Being a Windows user I did a slightly different approach in copying out the roms from my set via the text file list and did it with PowerShell. For what it's worth, here's the command I used:

                              $Files = Get-Content filename.txt
                              $Dest = "PathTo:\Desired\Rom\Folder"
                              
                              foreach ($File in $Files) {
                                Copy-Item $File $Dest
                              }
                              

                              Once again thanks to everyone who contributed in this thread.

                              PS. I'd also recommend Knuckle Bash for comedy value.

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                              • robotronmanR
                                robotronman
                                last edited by

                                Hi All,

                                I totally agree with @strangeruk here. This thread has been super helpful. Big thanks to @dudleydes, @AndersHP and @Pussyfoot for their contributions.

                                I too use windows to administer my Retropie systems and have a tip for using @dudleydes UNIX commands directly from Windows.

                                First download and install Gow found here: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/releases/

                                Gow (Gnu On Windows) is the lightweight alternative to Cygwin. It uses a convenient NSIS installer that installs over 100 extremely useful open source UNIX applications compiled as native win32 binaries. It is designed to be as small as possible, about 18 MB, as opposed to Cygwin which can run well over 100 MB depending upon options.

                                This tool is unbelievably awesome, and lets you run xargs and cp and many other UNIX commands right on your Windows machine. I've successfully used @dudleydes process above on Windows to filter my lists and files quickly and efficiently.

                                Bravo guys, awesome work!
                                robotronman

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                                • pjftP
                                  pjft @robotronman
                                  last edited by

                                  @robotronman said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                  First download and install Gow found here: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/releases/

                                  Thank you for the tip! Had been looking for something like this for a while - I had something similar in the past, but I completely forgot the name of what I was using then, so this comes in handy!

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                                  • johnodonJ
                                    johnodon
                                    last edited by

                                    Just wanted to say that this thread is awesome and exactly what I was looking for. Replying so I don't lose it again! :)

                                    Thank you all for the hard work!

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                                    • AndersHPA
                                      AndersHP
                                      last edited by

                                      I'm really enjoying my new arcade folder also.

                                      To tidy things up completely, it could have been nice to base the lists on the non-mahjong and non-adult DAT files, but I guess that's just personal taste.

                                      My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                      My Gameboy

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                                      • johnodonJ
                                        johnodon
                                        last edited by

                                        What do you guys think about adding the Neogeo set under FBA?

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                                        • AndersHPA
                                          AndersHP @johnodon
                                          last edited by

                                          @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

                                          Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

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                                          My Gameboy

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                                          • johnodonJ
                                            johnodon @AndersHP
                                            last edited by

                                            @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                            @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

                                            Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

                                            I think this is close to all of them (bios file removed from list):

                                            2020bb.zip
                                            3countb.zip
                                            alpham2.zip
                                            androdun.zip
                                            aodk.zip
                                            aof.zip
                                            aof2.zip
                                            aof3.zip
                                            bangbead.zip
                                            bjourney.zip
                                            blazstar.zip
                                            breakrev.zip
                                            bstars.zip
                                            bstars2.zip
                                            burningf.zip
                                            crsword.zip
                                            ctomaday.zip
                                            cyberlip.zip
                                            doubledr.zip
                                            eightman.zip
                                            fatfursp.zip
                                            fatfury1.zip
                                            fatfury2.zip
                                            fatfury3.zip
                                            fbfrenzy.zip
                                            fightfev.zip
                                            flipshot.zip
                                            galaxyfg.zip
                                            ganryu.zip
                                            garou.zip
                                            ghostlop.zip
                                            goalx3.zip
                                            gowcaizr.zip
                                            gpilots.zip
                                            gururin.zip
                                            irrmaze.zip
                                            joyjoy.zip
                                            kabukikl.zip
                                            karnovr.zip
                                            kizuna.zip
                                            kof2000.zip
                                            kof2001.zip
                                            kof2002.zip
                                            kof2003.zip
                                            kof94.zip
                                            kof95.zip
                                            kof96.zip
                                            kof97.zip
                                            kof98.zip
                                            kof99.zip
                                            kotm.zip
                                            kotm2.zip
                                            lastblad.zip
                                            lastbld2.zip
                                            lbowling.zip
                                            legendos.zip
                                            lresort.zip
                                            magdrop2.zip
                                            magdrop3.zip
                                            maglord.zip
                                            matrim.zip
                                            miexchng.zip
                                            mslug.zip
                                            mslug2.zip
                                            mslug3.zip
                                            mslug4.zip
                                            mslug5.zip
                                            mslugx.zip
                                            mutnat.zip
                                            nam1975.zip
                                            ncombat.zip
                                            ncommand.zip
                                            neobombe.zip
                                            neocup98.zip
                                            neodrift.zip
                                            neomrdo.zip
                                            ninjamas.zip
                                            nitd.zip
                                            overtop.zip
                                            panicbom.zip
                                            pbobbl2n.zip
                                            pbobblen.zip
                                            pgoal.zip
                                            pnyaa.zip
                                            popbounc.zip
                                            preisle2.zip
                                            pspikes2.zip
                                            pulstar.zip
                                            puzzledp.zip
                                            rbff1.zip
                                            rbff2.zip
                                            rbffspec.zip
                                            ridhero.zip
                                            roboarmy.zip
                                            rotd.zip
                                            s1945p.zip
                                            samsh5sp.zip
                                            samsho.zip
                                            samsho2.zip
                                            samsho3.zip
                                            samsho4.zip
                                            samsho5.zip
                                            savagere.zip
                                            sdodgeb.zip
                                            sengoku.zip
                                            sengoku2.zip
                                            sengoku3.zip
                                            shocktr2.zip
                                            shocktro.zip
                                            socbrawl.zip
                                            sonicwi2.zip
                                            sonicwi3.zip
                                            spinmast.zip
                                            ssideki.zip
                                            ssideki2.zip
                                            ssideki3.zip
                                            ssideki4.zip
                                            stakwin.zip
                                            stakwin2.zip
                                            strhoop.zip
                                            superspy.zip
                                            tophuntr.zip
                                            tpgolf.zip
                                            turfmast.zip
                                            twinspri.zip
                                            tws96.zip
                                            viewpoin.zip
                                            wakuwak7.zip
                                            wh1.zip
                                            wh2.zip
                                            wh2j.zip
                                            whp.zip
                                            wjammers.zip
                                            zedblade.zip
                                            zupapa.zip

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