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    • DarksaviorD
      Darksavior @AndersHP
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      @andershp I played through the first level and didn't notice audio bugs. Oh well..

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      • caver01C
        caver01 @AndersHP
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        @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

        @caver01 said in FBA vs. MAME:

        @AndersHP why no AdvanceMAME love? Your vector games will thank you for it.

        Yeah, I'm just not really that into vector games, so haven't prioritized it at all. Also, it's not a libretro-core is it?

        Nope.

        My 4-player cocktail style cabinet built as a custom "roadcase"

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        • AndersHPA
          AndersHP @caver01
          last edited by AndersHP

          @caver01 said in FBA vs. MAME:

          These should be AdvanceMAME, despite what @ AndersHP thinks ;-).

          Above lists have been updated, so I split MAME-libretro and ADVMAME into two, whilst adding the games @caver01 mentioned.
          Though, I cannot find the game roughrac.zip. It doesn't seem to be part of MAME2003 or FBA 0.2.97.42? MAME 0.106 perhaps? Never tried this romset...

          Also: is it true that the best way to get ADVMAME running on a fresh setup would be a MAME 0.106 romset and the latest ADVMAME 3.x version?

          My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
          My Gameboy

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          • AndersHPA
            AndersHP @dudleydes
            last edited by AndersHP

            @dudleydes will this line do the same job, but provide extra lists to the emulators.cfg file, without overwriting previous inputs, and is the name of the emulator correct?

             ls -1 /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/mame-advmame | sed -e 's/\.zip$//' -e 's/_//g' -e 's/^/arcade_/' -e 's/$/ = "advmame"/' >> /opt/retropie/configs/all/emulators.cfg
            

            ?

            My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
            My Gameboy

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            • UDb23U
              UDb23 @AndersHP
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              @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

              roughrac.zip

              Emulated in mame since .95; would expect it to run both in advmame (.106) and lr-mame2010 (.139). Haven't tried yet .

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              • caver01C
                caver01 @AndersHP
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                @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                Though, I cannot find the game roughrac.zip. It doesn't seem to be part of MAME2003 or FBA 0.2.97.42? MAME 0.106 perhaps? Never tried this romset...

                Yes, I see in the .106 that roughrac.zip is Rough Racer (Japan, FD1094 317-0058-06b).

                Also: is it true that the best way to get ADVMAME running on a fresh setup would be a MAME 0.106 romset and the latest ADVMAME 3.x version?

                Yes. However, some folks have reported better performance with 1.4 (same 106 romset) but I have had the opposite experience. I have found games like Golden Tee variants work better in the 3.x versions. Video bugs have apparently been corrected in version 3.x that were present in 1.4 and earlier, and you can always swap between them with runcommand if you want to try 1.4 since the ROM is the same. I have never seen any benefit/reason to use AdvanceMAME .94.

                I see four main reasons besides the romset that you might want to use AdvanceMAME. First, it was build to support custom video situations, arcade monitors etc. where you can specify the modeline and define the exact timing of the video scanlines. Of course, this requires the support of hardware and is not as useful for those of us on a Pi using HDMI. But if you were trying to configure a CRT, this might be really handy, and it is essential on other hardware using an arcade monitor.

                Second, AdvanceMAME has a superior control mapping scheme that allows you to matrix just about any combination of controls. For example, if your goal is a three trackball Rampart cabinet, you can do that. You want to run four spinners and pay Warlords? No problem. The configuration is very flexible Although great strides have been made recently in RetroArch too with respect to analog indexing and lightgun support, AdvanceMAME has always been ahead of others in that regard.

                Third, the rendering of vector games is the best of all of the arcade emulators we have. It draws lines at native resolution. You can also control the quality of the vector in terms of brightness, flicker, line thickness, etc. Check out this post for some ideas and images.

                Finally, AdvanceMAME includes AdvanceMESS. There may be other system-specific emulators that do a better job, but MESS is a nice tool to have. You need to jump through some hoops to get it running the way you want but it is possible (I have 3.x running as my Apple II emulator).

                My 4-player cocktail style cabinet built as a custom "roadcase"

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                  dudleydes @AndersHP
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                  @andershp Yes that command should do it.

                  You can check the string to be used in the command by checking in opt/retropie/configs/all/emulators.cfg

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                  • AndersHPA
                    AndersHP
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                    I just want to let people know, that following the above mentioned lists and commandlines, I have succesfully merged MAME2003 (0.78)/FBA 0.2.97.42/ADVMAME 0.106 in my Arcade folder, and the best core are chosen for the best versions of games.

                    I don't know how much maintenance it will demand on longer sight (probably manually editing a game at a time if something doesn't work), but for now, it's really great that everything is centralized and optimized for best core. Recommendations!

                    My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                    My Gameboy

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                    • mituM
                      mitu Global Moderator @AndersHP
                      last edited by mitu

                      @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                      Recommendations!

                      Cadillacs and Dinosaurs !

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                      • strangerukS
                        strangeruk
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                        Wow, this thread has been most useful in sorting out my arcade section! Big thanks to @dudleydes, @AndersHP and @Pussyfoot for their contributions.

                        Being a Windows user I did a slightly different approach in copying out the roms from my set via the text file list and did it with PowerShell. For what it's worth, here's the command I used:

                        $Files = Get-Content filename.txt
                        $Dest = "PathTo:\Desired\Rom\Folder"
                        
                        foreach ($File in $Files) {
                          Copy-Item $File $Dest
                        }
                        

                        Once again thanks to everyone who contributed in this thread.

                        PS. I'd also recommend Knuckle Bash for comedy value.

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                        • robotronmanR
                          robotronman
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                          Hi All,

                          I totally agree with @strangeruk here. This thread has been super helpful. Big thanks to @dudleydes, @AndersHP and @Pussyfoot for their contributions.

                          I too use windows to administer my Retropie systems and have a tip for using @dudleydes UNIX commands directly from Windows.

                          First download and install Gow found here: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/releases/

                          Gow (Gnu On Windows) is the lightweight alternative to Cygwin. It uses a convenient NSIS installer that installs over 100 extremely useful open source UNIX applications compiled as native win32 binaries. It is designed to be as small as possible, about 18 MB, as opposed to Cygwin which can run well over 100 MB depending upon options.

                          This tool is unbelievably awesome, and lets you run xargs and cp and many other UNIX commands right on your Windows machine. I've successfully used @dudleydes process above on Windows to filter my lists and files quickly and efficiently.

                          Bravo guys, awesome work!
                          robotronman

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                          • pjftP
                            pjft @robotronman
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                            @robotronman said in FBA vs. MAME:

                            First download and install Gow found here: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/releases/

                            Thank you for the tip! Had been looking for something like this for a while - I had something similar in the past, but I completely forgot the name of what I was using then, so this comes in handy!

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                            • johnodonJ
                              johnodon
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                              Just wanted to say that this thread is awesome and exactly what I was looking for. Replying so I don't lose it again! :)

                              Thank you all for the hard work!

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                              • AndersHPA
                                AndersHP
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                                I'm really enjoying my new arcade folder also.

                                To tidy things up completely, it could have been nice to base the lists on the non-mahjong and non-adult DAT files, but I guess that's just personal taste.

                                My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                My Gameboy

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                                • johnodonJ
                                  johnodon
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                                  What do you guys think about adding the Neogeo set under FBA?

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                                  • AndersHPA
                                    AndersHP @johnodon
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                                    @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

                                    Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

                                    My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                    My Gameboy

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                                    • johnodonJ
                                      johnodon @AndersHP
                                      last edited by

                                      @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                      @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

                                      Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

                                      I think this is close to all of them (bios file removed from list):

                                      2020bb.zip
                                      3countb.zip
                                      alpham2.zip
                                      androdun.zip
                                      aodk.zip
                                      aof.zip
                                      aof2.zip
                                      aof3.zip
                                      bangbead.zip
                                      bjourney.zip
                                      blazstar.zip
                                      breakrev.zip
                                      bstars.zip
                                      bstars2.zip
                                      burningf.zip
                                      crsword.zip
                                      ctomaday.zip
                                      cyberlip.zip
                                      doubledr.zip
                                      eightman.zip
                                      fatfursp.zip
                                      fatfury1.zip
                                      fatfury2.zip
                                      fatfury3.zip
                                      fbfrenzy.zip
                                      fightfev.zip
                                      flipshot.zip
                                      galaxyfg.zip
                                      ganryu.zip
                                      garou.zip
                                      ghostlop.zip
                                      goalx3.zip
                                      gowcaizr.zip
                                      gpilots.zip
                                      gururin.zip
                                      irrmaze.zip
                                      joyjoy.zip
                                      kabukikl.zip
                                      karnovr.zip
                                      kizuna.zip
                                      kof2000.zip
                                      kof2001.zip
                                      kof2002.zip
                                      kof2003.zip
                                      kof94.zip
                                      kof95.zip
                                      kof96.zip
                                      kof97.zip
                                      kof98.zip
                                      kof99.zip
                                      kotm.zip
                                      kotm2.zip
                                      lastblad.zip
                                      lastbld2.zip
                                      lbowling.zip
                                      legendos.zip
                                      lresort.zip
                                      magdrop2.zip
                                      magdrop3.zip
                                      maglord.zip
                                      matrim.zip
                                      miexchng.zip
                                      mslug.zip
                                      mslug2.zip
                                      mslug3.zip
                                      mslug4.zip
                                      mslug5.zip
                                      mslugx.zip
                                      mutnat.zip
                                      nam1975.zip
                                      ncombat.zip
                                      ncommand.zip
                                      neobombe.zip
                                      neocup98.zip
                                      neodrift.zip
                                      neomrdo.zip
                                      ninjamas.zip
                                      nitd.zip
                                      overtop.zip
                                      panicbom.zip
                                      pbobbl2n.zip
                                      pbobblen.zip
                                      pgoal.zip
                                      pnyaa.zip
                                      popbounc.zip
                                      preisle2.zip
                                      pspikes2.zip
                                      pulstar.zip
                                      puzzledp.zip
                                      rbff1.zip
                                      rbff2.zip
                                      rbffspec.zip
                                      ridhero.zip
                                      roboarmy.zip
                                      rotd.zip
                                      s1945p.zip
                                      samsh5sp.zip
                                      samsho.zip
                                      samsho2.zip
                                      samsho3.zip
                                      samsho4.zip
                                      samsho5.zip
                                      savagere.zip
                                      sdodgeb.zip
                                      sengoku.zip
                                      sengoku2.zip
                                      sengoku3.zip
                                      shocktr2.zip
                                      shocktro.zip
                                      socbrawl.zip
                                      sonicwi2.zip
                                      sonicwi3.zip
                                      spinmast.zip
                                      ssideki.zip
                                      ssideki2.zip
                                      ssideki3.zip
                                      ssideki4.zip
                                      stakwin.zip
                                      stakwin2.zip
                                      strhoop.zip
                                      superspy.zip
                                      tophuntr.zip
                                      tpgolf.zip
                                      turfmast.zip
                                      twinspri.zip
                                      tws96.zip
                                      viewpoin.zip
                                      wakuwak7.zip
                                      wh1.zip
                                      wh2.zip
                                      wh2j.zip
                                      whp.zip
                                      wjammers.zip
                                      zedblade.zip
                                      zupapa.zip

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                                      • AndersHPA
                                        AndersHP @johnodon
                                        last edited by AndersHP

                                        @johnodon I've added an lr-fbalpha list including NeoGeo games here. Hope this is helpful.

                                        My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                        My Gameboy

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                                        • johnodonJ
                                          johnodon
                                          last edited by johnodon

                                          If anyone wants a shortcut to all of this, here is a link to my emulators.cfg. If you see anything wrong, let me know.

                                          https://pastebin.com/NJNcqmH5

                                          2278 games total
                                          43 advmame
                                          1613 lr-fbalpha
                                          640 lr-mame2003
                                          2 lr-mame2010

                                          John

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                                          • B
                                            barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                                            @andershp You mention "sound glitches" in rtype and gyruss, could you be a little more precise ? Also, those glitches happen with any sound setting (samplerate, sample interpolation & fm interpolation) in the core options ?
                                            Those games should run flawlessly considering their cpu usage, so perhaps there is some glitch which needs to be reported to the fbalpha team.

                                            FBNeo developer - github - forum

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