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N64 crashes after 10 min

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    EndersEnigma
    last edited by EndersEnigma 3 Sept 2018, 18:04 9 Mar 2018, 18:02

    Re: N64 glide freezes my pi?

    I am having this exact same issue on my Pi 3. Was there ever a resolution?

    If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

    True story.

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      dankcushions Global Moderator @EndersEnigma
      last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 18:20

      @endersenigma please fill out https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first

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        EndersEnigma
        last edited by EndersEnigma 3 Sept 2018, 18:43 9 Mar 2018, 18:42

        pi 3 b
        heatsyncs and fan in use
        5v 2.5 amp PS
        retropie 4.3 from website
        n64 Glide emulator

        games: (all freeze within 10-12 min)
        areofighters assault
        Quest 64
        Goldeneye 007
        star wars racer
        beetle adventure racing

        overclock specs i have tried:
        #Overclock Settings
        arm_freq=1300 (1350 Max)
        gpu_freq=400 (500 max)
        sdram_freq=450 (500 max)
        over_voltage=5
        v3d_freq=525
        gpu_mem=512

        any changes to overclock settings seem to have no effect. Still a 10-12 min time before freeze. I have to pull the plug to get it to reboot

        If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

        True story.

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          EndersEnigma
          last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 19:53

          Here is what I have learned,

          1. It is not a heat issue. all of my heatsyncs are barely warm to the touch thanks to my fan.

          2. the problem might be related to a cache setting of some kind. Here is why: Right before the crash (about 3 seconds) I get a blurring effect in game. If I quit immediately and go right back into the game I can get another 10-12 min of gameplay. If this was temperature I would see crashes sooner instead of in the same increment.

          thoughts anyone?

          If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

          True story.

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            dankcushions Global Moderator @EndersEnigma
            last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 20:22

            @endersenigma it could still be a heat issue - the gpu is particularly sensitive to heat. mine gets artefacts at v3d_freq=500. i think you should remove all the overclocks, and also update mupen64plus by source.

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              EndersEnigma @dankcushions
              last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 20:51

              @dankcushions
              trying that now, will update when i have some fidelity.

              If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

              True story.

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                quicksilver @EndersEnigma
                last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 21:31

                @endersenigma are you using a case? I had the same issue as you: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/16657/mupen-glide-crashing

                For me it turns out it was my nespi case causing issues. Once I removed my pi from the nespi case my issue was resolved.

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                  EndersEnigma @quicksilver
                  last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 22:28

                  @quicksilver
                  using an open air case with a fan, i also hear that the nespi case causes over heating.

                  If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                  True story.

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                    EndersEnigma @dankcushions
                    last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 22:29

                    @dankcushions

                    same crash at value
                    v3d_freq=500

                    this is quite frustrating.

                    If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                    True story.

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                      dankcushions Global Moderator @EndersEnigma
                      last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 22:39

                      @endersenigma i told you to remove the overclocks. that's still a VERY aggressive overclock. did you update, also?

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                        quicksilver @EndersEnigma
                        last edited by quicksilver 3 Sept 2018, 22:44 9 Mar 2018, 22:40

                        @endersenigma have you tried running at stock speed? V3d=500 is still a huge overclock from the standard 300mhz. Your pi might not handle it. What is the exact case and power supply you are using?

                        The nespi case can cause overheating but that wasn't what happened in my issue. It was due to voltage. Restore your config.txt to default settings and report back

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                          EndersEnigma
                          last edited by EndersEnigma 3 Sept 2018, 23:20 9 Mar 2018, 23:15

                          So the plot thickens, if I stop moving just before the freeze at 12 min almost exactly. It freezes for about 15 seconds but the audio keeps playing. If I let it sit till the graphics unfreeze then the game works great. The problem does not occur every 12 min after the first. Just right at the first 12 min.

                          However, if I am moving when the freeze starts or if I start moving' the audio stops and the freeze is permenant until I pull the power.

                          I have replicated this 4 times now. The next question is "why". Why right at the 12 min mark does this happen? And why doesn't it repeat at all after that first freeze?

                          If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                          True story.

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                            EndersEnigma @dankcushions
                            last edited by EndersEnigma 3 Sept 2018, 23:21 9 Mar 2018, 23:18

                            @dankcushions
                            Without overclocks the games run very choppy and the audio skips a good bit.

                            Overclocking just the processor seems to fix that problem (1300) but the games are much smoother with the 3D overclock added.

                            Yes I have updated all packages and tools.

                            If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                            True story.

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                              dankcushions Global Moderator @EndersEnigma
                              last edited by 9 Mar 2018, 23:59

                              @endersenigma overclock = better performance, lower stability, if you're getting freezes, you need to disable the overclock until you've ruled that out as the cause.

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                                EndersEnigma @dankcushions
                                last edited by 10 Mar 2018, 00:41

                                @dankcushions
                                should i just go through the overclocks one by one till i find the culprit?

                                If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                                True story.

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                                  dankcushions Global Moderator @EndersEnigma
                                  last edited by 10 Mar 2018, 00:51

                                  @endersenigma again, remove them ALL. then see if the crash happens still. if it does, it's a software bug and can be reported.

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                                    EndersEnigma @dankcushions
                                    last edited by 10 Mar 2018, 01:14

                                    @dankcushions
                                    gotcha. will do that tomorrow and report back.
                                    Thanks for all the help mate.

                                    If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                                    True story.

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                                      EndersEnigma @dankcushions
                                      last edited by EndersEnigma 3 Oct 2018, 16:27 10 Mar 2018, 16:02

                                      @dankcushions
                                      So I disabled all overclocks, the games still hang and crash (12-14 min of gameplay in). I am not sure what is causing this issue.

                                      If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                                      True story.

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                                        quicksilver @EndersEnigma
                                        last edited by quicksilver 3 Oct 2018, 20:04 10 Mar 2018, 20:02

                                        @endersenigma please post a copy of your config.txt just to make sure you didn't miss anything. Also what brand/model is your case and power supply? Please also list all devices hooked up to your pi (USB devices, fans, etc.)

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                                          EndersEnigma @quicksilver
                                          last edited by 10 Mar 2018, 20:43

                                          @quicksilver
                                          Canakit was my supplier. USB LOGITECH F310 controller is only device connected. Fan is powered by its own plug into the wall.

                                          Config File: ~
                                          #For more options and information see
                                          #http://rpf.io/configtxt
                                          #Some settings may impact device functionality. See link above for details

                                          #uncomment if you get no picture on HDMI for a default "safe" mode
                                          #hdmi_safe=1

                                          #uncomment this if your display has a black border of unused pixels visible
                                          #and your display can output without overscan
                                          #disable_overscan=1

                                          #uncomment the following to adjust overscan. Use positive numbers if console
                                          #goes off screen, and negative if there is too much border
                                          #overscan_left=16
                                          #overscan_right=16
                                          #overscan_top=16
                                          #overscan_bottom=16

                                          #uncomment to force a console size. By default it will be display's size minus
                                          #overscan.
                                          #framebuffer_width=1280
                                          #framebuffer_height=720

                                          #uncomment if hdmi display is not detected and composite is being output
                                          #hdmi_force_hotplug=1

                                          #uncomment to force a specific HDMI mode (this will force VGA)
                                          #hdmi_group=1
                                          #hdmi_mode=1

                                          #uncomment to force a HDMI mode rather than DVI. This can make audio work in
                                          #DMT (computer monitor) modes
                                          #hdmi_drive=2

                                          #uncomment to increase signal to HDMI, if you have interference, blanking, or
                                          #no display
                                          #config_hdmi_boost=4

                                          #uncomment for composite PAL
                                          #sdtv_mode=2

                                          #uncomment to overclock the arm. 700 MHz is the default.
                                          #arm_freq=1350
                                          #gpu_freq=500
                                          #sdram_freq=500
                                          #over_voltage=5
                                          #v3d_freq=525

                                          #Uncomment some or all of these to enable the optional hardware interfaces
                                          #dtparam=i2c_arm=on
                                          #dtparam=i2s=on
                                          #dtparam=spi=on

                                          #Uncomment this to enable the lirc-rpi module
                                          #dtoverlay=lirc-rpi

                                          #Additional overlays and parameters are documented /boot/overlays/README

                                          #Enable audio (loads snd_bcm2835)
                                          dtparam=audio=on
                                          #gpu_mem_256=128
                                          #gpu_mem_512=256
                                          #gpu_mem_1024=256
                                          overscan_scale=1
                                          gpu_mem=512
                                          #dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d
                                          #dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d

                                          If you hold your Pi out the window while driving 40+ mph, the performance is improved significantly.

                                          True story.

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