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    • mediamogulM
      mediamogul Global Moderator
      last edited by mediamogul

      I'm a big proponent of AdvanceMAME and use it as my primary arcade emulator, even for NeoGeo and CPS tiles. However, this thread seems like a good place to note that it will not run 'Gorf' at full speed. While lr-mame2003 and lr-fabalpha will run it at full speed, neither support it's audio samples, which is half the novelty of the game. Currently, it looks like lr-mame2010 is the best solution for this particular title.

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      • AndersHPA
        AndersHP
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        This weeks MAME ROW is Bubble Bobble, but does anyone in here (running the "best mame core" configuration as mentioned above) have problems with the FBA bublboblr.zip file? Because mine doesn't seem to work, so I reloaded both the MAME2003 and FBA versions of bublbobl.zip and they worked fine.

        Could anyone check? And which of these are the better versions, ya think?

        My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
        My Gameboy

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        • pjftP
          pjft @AndersHP
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          @andershp oh, I need to go for that then! I use lr Mame 2003 though I find the sound to be slightly "tinnier" than I remember it to be. I imagine you're also taking a stab at it? :)

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            barbudreadmon
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            @AndersHP did you take a look at gyruss in fba since the last "attunement" on sound ?

            FBNeo developer - github - forum

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            • AndersHPA
              AndersHP @pjft
              last edited by AndersHP

              @pjft said in FBA vs. MAME:

              @andershp oh, I need to go for that then! I use lr Mame 2003 though I find the sound to be slightly "tinnier" than I remember it to be. I imagine you're also taking a stab at it? :)

              I have the same experience.
              Yes, I'm obliged to! :)

              @barbudreadmon No, I will though. Update fba from source and that's it, right?

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              My Gameboy

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                barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                @andershp yes :)

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                • AndersHPA
                  AndersHP @barbudreadmon
                  last edited by

                  @barbudreadmon Just tested, and I still think the spawning sound is very fuzzy and weird, sorry :)

                  My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                  My Gameboy

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                  • AndersHPA
                    AndersHP @barbudreadmon
                    last edited by AndersHP

                    @barbudreadmon I have given the FBA version of Gyruss some more time now, and I have found the following differences between MAME and FBA:

                    The sound effects, mainly the music is higher paced in MAME2003, making FBA sound slow. But is FBA closest to the original?
                    I will definitely say that comparing to the sound in the videos below, MAME2003 comes closest!


                    The FBA version apparently doesn't save highscores?

                    The spawning sound in FBA still sounds fuzzy to me.

                    The difficulty level is much higher in FBA.

                    The stereo separation in MAME is weird - I guess this is the work that's been done with the balance in FBA?

                    I have only played gyruss.zip. Do you know what's done in gyrussce. zip ? Any more Gyruss info to be found somewhere? Love this game!

                    My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                    My Gameboy

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                    • AndersHPA
                      AndersHP
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                      Can anyone test if they have sound samples working in mario.zip (Mario Bros) on FBA?

                      I can only get them to work in MAME2003 (music and all)- but only running sounds on FBA.
                      I have samples from the romset placed in home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/fba, but still no luck.

                      My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                      My Gameboy

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                      • pjftP
                        pjft @AndersHP
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                        @andershp huh. I play that game every now and then on MAME. What are the samples supposed to do there? What sounds are you missing on FBA?

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                          barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                          @andershp
                          The music in fba and recent mame is supposed to be properly paced, the music in mame2003 is supposed to be wrongly paced.
                          Looks to me like the pace in your second video is faster than in the first one, i'm wondering how it was recorded, the first one seems more legit to me.
                          Hiscores in gyruss are not working properly, which is weird (they are implemented), i'll look into it.
                          I don't think anything specific was done to the gyruss clones.
                          The samples in mario are not complete in current fba release, but iirc the sound chip is fully supported in the next release.

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                          • matchamanM
                            matchaman @johnodon
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                            @johnodon thanks for the emulators.cfg! Could you also please share your gamelist.xml since scrappers seem to be a hit & miss for me?

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                              Deltax5
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                              I was reccemended mame 2003. which is weird for me isn't that very old, should I change to 2010 in my next time I feel like redoing everything. ANyways I got the rom pack for mame 2003 seems to run alright i mainly play shootemups. I have some games for FBA like demon front and street fighter 3 and noticed there is a option in the settings to apply a accuracy mode. But to play neo geo propally I had to overclock it a quite a bit and the more demanding games is kinda laggy. It seems there is very little button delay in that accuracy mode which im going for. Maybe ill get better luck with the pi 3+. But im waiting a bit longer to see a install retropi that is ready from the site.

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                              • DarksaviorD
                                Darksavior @Deltax5
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                                @deltax5 Something is wrong with your setup. Neogeo games run full-speed on my overclocked pi2 in fba.

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                                  nasp2000
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                                  Super kaneko games runs choppy in FBA. Games like cyvern.zip run better in mame2003.

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                                  • thelostsoulT
                                    thelostsoul @Deltax5
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                                    @deltax5 Yes, Darksavior is right, something with your setup is not right. You should have no need for overclocking, if you play Neo Geo games with FBA. If you play Neo Geo games with Mame, then most of the games will not work good. FBA for Neo Geo is highly recommended. All games work flawlessly without overclocking or cooling on Raspberry Pi 3.

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                                    • mediamogulM
                                      mediamogul Global Moderator @thelostsoul
                                      last edited by mediamogul

                                      @thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                      If you play Neo Geo games with Mame, then most of the games will not work good.

                                      I've always heard this, but never found it to be the case myself. I currently use AdvanceMAME for Neo Geo games and I haven't run into anything that didn't run very well.

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                                      • thelostsoulT
                                        thelostsoul @mediamogul
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                                        @mediamogul said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                        @thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                        If you play Neo Geo games with Mame, then most of the games will not work good.

                                        I've always heard this, but never found it to be the case myself. I currently use AdvanceMAME for Neo Geo games and I haven't run into anything that didn't run very well.

                                        I meant the mame2003 off course. AdvanceMame is different story. Didn't test any Neo Geo game on AdvanceMame. There must be some optimizations done.

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                                        • mediamogulM
                                          mediamogul Global Moderator @thelostsoul
                                          last edited by mediamogul

                                          @thelostsoul

                                          Mileage must vary with all this. It's been a little bit of time, but I don't remember ever having a problem with Neo Geo games on lr-mame2003 either. Do you know what the issue are specifically?

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                                          • thelostsoulT
                                            thelostsoul @mediamogul
                                            last edited by thelostsoul

                                            @mediamogul Mainly its speed issue, as mame2003 is not well optimized for "newer" titles and Neo Geo emulation. Same thing like the CPS-2, why we need FBA. I didn't test much myself, have to admit here. Maybe its an obsolete statement and it was true for older pi systems?

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