FBA vs. MAME

[Darksavior]

@deltax5 Something is wrong with your setup. Neogeo games run full-speed on my overclocked pi2 in fba.

[nasp2000]

Super kaneko games runs choppy in FBA. Games like cyvern.zip run better in mame2003.

[thelostsoul]

@deltax5 Yes, Darksavior is right, something with your setup is not right. You should have no need for overclocking, if you play Neo Geo games with FBA. If you play Neo Geo games with Mame, then most of the games will not work good. FBA for Neo Geo is highly recommended. All games work flawlessly without overclocking or cooling on Raspberry Pi 3.

[mediamogul]

@thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:

If you play Neo Geo games with Mame, then most of the games will not work good.

I've always heard this, but never found it to be the case myself. I currently use AdvanceMAME for Neo Geo games and I haven't run into anything that didn't run very well.

[thelostsoul]

@mediamogul said in FBA vs. MAME:

@thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:

If you play Neo Geo games with Mame, then most of the games will not work good.

I've always heard this, but never found it to be the case myself. I currently use AdvanceMAME for Neo Geo games and I haven't run into anything that didn't run very well.

I meant the mame2003 off course. AdvanceMame is different story. Didn't test any Neo Geo game on AdvanceMame. There must be some optimizations done.

[mediamogul]

@thelostsoul

Mileage must vary with all this. It's been a little bit of time, but I don't remember ever having a problem with Neo Geo games on lr-mame2003 either. Do you know what the issue are specifically?

[thelostsoul]

@mediamogul Mainly its speed issue, as mame2003 is not well optimized for "newer" titles and Neo Geo emulation. Same thing like the CPS-2, why we need FBA. I didn't test much myself, have to admit here. Maybe its an obsolete statement and it was true for older pi systems?

[mediamogul]

@thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:

Maybe its an obsolete statement and it was true for older pi systems?

Ah, good call sir. You may have just nailed it. I've personally never had a problem with Neo Geo games or CPS on any of the available emulation options in RetroPie, so I've been wondering about this for some time.

[AndersHP]

@Pussyfoot a general question:
I made my lists above based on your lists on optimal core for MAME games, but it seems some games are not included. Take this week's ROW: Space Panic (panic.zip), this should be part of the MAME2003 romset, but it's not part of these lists. Why is that? What are the lists based on?

[edwardthehuman]

I think this is due to having thousands of games to be tested out. If you have any games that are not on the list and you've personally tried it, you can contribute to the list. :)

[cosmo0]

Hi !

If anyone is interested in testing a hundred games, here is a list of "classics" that are missing from the current list. I'll try them when I'm done with my current project.

Can we just say NeoGeo games are better with FBA "by default" ? Or is it more case-by-case ?

rom	title
1943kai	1943 Kai: Midway Kaisen (Japan)
720	720 Degrees (rev 4)
airwolf	Airwolf
avsp	Alien vs Predator (940520 Euro)
arknoid2	Arkanoid - Revenge of DOH (World)
aof	Art of Fighting / Ryuuko no Ken (NGM-044)(NGH-044)
aof2	Art of Fighting 2 / Ryuuko no Ken 2 (NGM-056)
aof3	Art of Fighting 3 - The Path of the Warrior / Art of Fighting - Ryuuko no Ken Gaiden
bionicc	Bionic Commando (Euro)
bublbobl	Bubble Bobble (Japan, Ver 0.1)
dino	Cadillacs & Dinosaurs (930201 etc)
captcomm	Captain Commando (911202 other country)
chasehq	Chase H.Q. (World)
commando	Commando (World)
darius	Darius (World)
dstlk	Darkstalkers - the night warriors (940705 Euro)
ddragon	Double Dragon (Japan)
ddragon2	Double Dragon II - The Revenge (World)
ddsom	Dungeons & Dragons - shadow over mystara (960619 Euro)
ddtod	Dungeons & Dragons - tower of doom (940412 Euro)
fantzn2	Fantasy Zone II - The Tears of Opa-Opa (MC-8123, 317-0057)
fatfury1	Fatal Fury - King of Fighters / Garou Densetsu - shukumei no tatakai (NGM-033)(NGH-033)
fatfury2	Fatal Fury 2 / Garou Densetsu 2 - arata-naru tatakai (NGM-047)(NGH-047)
fatfury3	Fatal Fury 3 - Road to the Final Victory / Garou Densetsu 3 - haruka-naru tatakai (NGM-069)(NGH-069)
fatfursp	Fatal Fury Special / Garou Densetsu Special (set 1)(NGM-058)(NGH-058)
ffight	Final Fight (World, set 1)
garou	Garou - Mark of the Wolves (NGM-2530)
gng	Ghosts'n Goblins (World? set 1)
ghouls	Ghouls'n Ghosts (World)
gloc	G-LOC Air Battle (World)
gunsmoke	Gun.Smoke (World, 851115)
offroad	Ironman Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road
jojoba	JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future / JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Mirai e no Isan (Japan 990927)
kotm	King of the Monsters (set 1)
kotm2	King of the Monsters 2 - The Next Thing (NGM-039)(NGH-039)
lbowling	League Bowling (NGM-019)(NGH-019)
msword	Magic Sword - heroic fantasy (25.07.1990 other country)
magdrop2	Magical Drop II
magdrop3	Magical Drop III
marble	Marble Madness (set 1)
mshvsf	Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter (970625 Euro)
mvsc	Marvel vs Capcom - clash of super heroes (980123 Euro)
mercs	Mercs (900302 etc)
mslug	Metal Slug - Super Vehicle-001
mslug2	Metal Slug 2 - Super Vehicle-001/II (NGM-2410) (NGH-2410)
mslug3	Metal Slug 3 (NGM-2560)
mslug4	Metal Slug 4 (NGM-2630)
mslug5	Metal Slug 5 (NGM-2680)
mslugx	Metal Slug X - Super Vehicle-001 (NGM-2500)(NGH-2500)
mwalk	Michael Jackson's Moonwalker (set 3, World, FD1094/8751 317-0159)
neodrift	Neo Drift Out - New Technology
turfmast	Neo Turf Masters / Big Tournament Golf
neogeo	NeoGeo BIOS
orunners	OutRunners (World)
polepos	Pole Position (World)
polepos2	Pole Position II (Japan)
pbobble4	Puzzle Bobble 4 (Ver 2.04O 1997/12/19)
rampart	Rampart (Trackball)
rastan	Rastan (World Rev 1)
roadblst	Road Blasters (upright, rev 4)
rtype	R-Type (World)
samsho	Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits (NGM-045)
samsho2	Samurai Shodown II / Shin Samurai Spirits - Haohmaru jigokuhen (NGM-063)(NGH-063)
samsho3	Samurai Shodown III / Samurai Spirits - Zankurou Musouken (NGM-087)
samsho4	Samurai Shodown IV - Amakusa's Revenge / Samurai Spirits - Amakusa Kourin (NGM-222)(NGH-222)
samsho5	Samurai Shodown V / Samurai Spirits Zero (NGM-2700)
svc	SNK vs. Capcom - SVC Chaos (NGM-2690)(NGH-2690)
invadpt2	Space Invaders Part II (Taito)
sfa	Street Fighter Alpha - warriors' dreams (950727 Euro)
sfa2	Street Fighter Alpha 2 (960229 Euro)
sfa3	Street Fighter Alpha 3 (980904 Euro)
sf2ce	Street Fighter II' - Champion Edition (street fighter 2' 920513 etc)
sf2hf	Street Fighter II' - Hyper Fighting (street fighter 2' T 921209 ETC)
sf2	Street Fighter II - The World Warrior (910522 etc)
sfiii3	Street Fighter III 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future (Euro 990608)
sfiii	Street Fighter III: New Generation (Euro 970204)
spf2t	Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo 960529 Euro)
ssf2	Super Street Fighter II - the new challengers (super street fighter 2 931005 etc)
rbtapper	Tapper (Root Beer)
tmnt	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (World 4 Players, version X)
kof2000	The King of Fighters 2000 (NGM-2570) (NGH-2570)
kof2001	The King of Fighters 2001 (NGM-262?)
kof2002	The King of Fighters 2002 (NGM-2650)(NGH-2650)
kof2003	The King of Fighters 2003 (NGM-2710)
kof94	The King of Fighters '94 (NGM-055)(NGH-055)
kof95	The King of Fighters '95 (NGM-084)
kof96	The King of Fighters '96 (NGM-214)
kof97	The King of Fighters '97 (NGM-2320)
kof98	The King of Fighters '98 - The Slugfest / King of Fighters '98 - dream match never ends (NGM-2420)
kof99	The King of Fighters '99 - Millennium Battle (NGM-2510)
lastblad	The Last Blade / Bakumatsu Roman - Gekka no Kenshi (NGM-2340)
lastbld2	The Last Blade 2 / Bakumatsu Roman - Dai Ni Maku Gekka no Kenshi (NGM-2430)(NGH-2430)
punisher	The Punisher (930422 etc)
tron	Tron (8/9)
turbo	Turbo (program 1513-1515)
twinspri	Twinkle Star Sprites
vanguard	Vanguard (SNK)
wjammers	Windjammers / Flying Power Disc
wbml	Wonder Boy in Monster Land (Japan New Ver., MC-8123, 317-0043)
xevious	Xevious (Namco)
xmcota	X-Men - children of the atom (950331 Euro)
xmvsf	X-Men vs Street Fighter (961004 Euro)

[thelostsoul]

@cosmo0 I tested many of these games and have them running here. But I don't know when a game is fully tested to be sure its working. Did you see the compatibility Lists from Documentation?
https://retropie.org.uk/docs/Arcade/
Here direct links to the lists
Mame2003:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LP1MELCvcxu7TfiowF_0ZuvRVEMqlfQyTVetnOJvuJc/edit?usp=sharing
FBA:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GaqIIoiWbzKHwZ52S2xCSDQXILo81Ls1mHK6czKGAtM/edit?usp=sharing

[dankcushions]

@cosmo0 said in FBA vs. MAME:

Can we just say NeoGeo games are better with FBA "by default" ? Or is it more case-by-case ?

i would guess that both mame2003 and fba do neogeo perfectly, but fba supports the full catalog plus hacks (i believe mame2003 doesn't have all the KOF games, for example), so i just use that.

[cosmo0]

@thelostsoul I thought this thread was about "best system", not "working system" ? For games that work on both FBA and MAME, to determine which one has the best emulation ?
Because if it's just to list games that work in one but not the other, I already have these: games working in FBA but not MAME2003 and games working in MAME2003 but not FBA.

@dankcushions yeah it looks like MAME2003 doesn't have KOF2003/2003, Metal Slug 4/5, Samurai Shodown 5, and SNK vs Capcom (among a bunch of prototypes, bootlegs and demos), but MAME2003 has a very small number of clones that FBA doesn't.
So I'm guessing "all NeoGeo games are best used with FBA" can be used as a general statement.

[thelostsoul]

@cosmo0 my bad, I forgot what about this thread was. I'm just curious. how do you guys test both versions and determine which works better?

[Darksavior]

@cosmo0 Neogeo, cps1-2 are best on lr-fbalpha. I'm not sure if the minor sound bugs in Kizuna Encounter and maybe others were ever fixed in lr-fbalpha2012 but I retired my pi2 to bother with that older emulator.

[AndersHP]

rtype.zip works (for me, at least - see 'discussion' earlier) best in mame2003.
tapper.zip (Budweiser version - the one and only) works best in mame2010. In fact, it's the only version I ever got working.

I don't understand that you say these games are missing on the lists. My lists above contain many of these games, and they're based on @Pussyfoot 's lists.

I also use fba generally for NeoGeo games. It just seems to work all the way for me.

[barbudreadmon]

I remember reading fba was the recommended neogeo emulator for speedrun, i guess it means it is supposed to be the most accurate for neogeo.

[mediamogul]

@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

tapper.zip (Budweiser version - the one and only) works best in mame2010.

All Bally Midway MCR System titles, including 'Tapper', should now be fully functional through lr-mame2003 as well thanks to this recent update. AdvanceMAME will run them as well. I love 'Tapper'. It makes the player deal with multitasking in such a fun and addictive way that it almost feels like a falling block puzzle game.

[markwkidd]

@cosmo0 said in FBA vs. MAME:

yeah it looks like MAME2003 doesn't have KOF2003/2003, Metal Slug 4/5, Samurai Shodown 5, and SNK vs Capcom (among a bunch of prototypes, bootlegs and demos),

Some of these are now in mame2003-plus. Testers very welcome.