Updated Retropie - No Menu Sounds
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Where is the option to turn menu sounds back on again?
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@BuZz said in Updated Retropie - No Menu Sounds:
if customising the theme, it should be copied from
/etc/emulationstation/themesto/opt/retropie/configs/all/emulationstation/themes/as I mentioned earlier. Otherwise your changes will get overwritten when updating the theme (if you dont care, then feel free - it could also stop updating from working in the future also though)i put a theme here based on this suggestion and i cant get it to show up in emulationstation. Works if i put it in /etc/emulationstationlthemes/ though on 4.0 beta 2. I would like to do it this way...
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i liked the sounds, weird that you chose to remove them, since there's an option in menu to disable them if you dont like them
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@KiloPIE said in Updated Retropie - No Menu Sounds:
Where is the option to turn menu sounds back on again?
Read my comment earlier in the thread:
@Concat said in Updated Retropie - No Menu Sounds:
It doesn't bother me one way or another if sounds are enabled or disabled by default, but I am curious as to the reason for the change. Was it by chance a performance/technical issue of some kind or simply a preference choice?
Just clarify - the sound wasn't disabled per se... The WAV file used was just changed to a blank one. That's my understanding. There's a topic in the Development subforum about the changes to Carbon.
Anyway, as Buzz said, you just need to swap the WAV file with one you want. Super simple.
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it's not weird - the theme designer made a choice - it's his design.
We may consider adding back a quieter / shorter navigation sound though, but please understand that things like this are subjective. Like with video smoothing. No matter what the default is, people will complain.
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@Concat It's not "super" simple though is it. Super simple, and logical, would have been to have an options to easily toggle it back on again
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My comment about it being simple wasn't meant to be patronizing :/ I said it to encourage users who might be intimidated by the process to spend some time to set it up the way they want.
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@Concat No worries I didn't find it patronising. I know exactly what to do to get sounds back and it is fairly easy.
I just think It's absurd a system like retropie, of which It's core principles are to give people multiple options and ease of use, and patch by patch keeps getting more customizable, has had something like menu sounds removed with no option implemented to toggle them back on. Especially when there was an option to turn them off when they were on by default.
Also I don't see how this can be compared to the video smoothing change, which does have an easy to access option to toggle on/off...
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Where did you read those core principles ? or did you make them up ?
There is no such thing.
The designer decided he didn't want the sample. I already said we may look into re-adding another default sound (one less loud/annoying).
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in the meantime you can switch theme or customise it yourself.
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Actually, the option in ES to reduce sound volume is applied system-wide. So turning the sound off resulted in reducing the volume of all of your games, too. So there wasn't actually any way to turn it off. Has that changed, recently?
There was a major discussion of sounds and an overwhelming number of people mentioned they couldn't stand the sound. So the sound was replaced by a silent wav file. You can overwrite it with what ever wav you want to use.
I've personally never had any issues with editing the files of the theme directly, even though the developers strongly condemn it. Use whatever method you want to gain write access to /etc/emulationstation/themes/es-theme-carbon-master/art/scroll.wav. (Please don't kill me if this isn't the exact name of the folder, as I don't actually insert themes into the retropie code.) And replace the scroll.wav with what ever WAV you want. The original sound file is still there if you want to use it. Delete "scroll.wav" and rename "scroll-old.wav" to "scroll.wav".
Please note: the sound was removed because of the limitations with the ES "sound" option that actually reduces system volume, and an overwhelming volume of complaints about the sound. "I love the sound" has not been something I've ever heard in my life. LOL.
If ES has been changed where the sound volume ONLY affects ES, then I can re-add the sound effect and let users manipulate the volume from inside ES. Can anyone verify this for me? Turn the volume of ES sounds completely down, then play a game. Try a couple systems. Let me know if those games play sound. If they do, we're in business :D
In the future, I could probably edit the theme to access a sound file from somewhere in the /home/pi/RetroPie folders so users could change the sound through samba.
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There is an option in ES to enable/disable sounds also. (under the volume)
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I can verify that the "Enable Sounds" option does toggle the sound effect and retain the volume of the games. But there is no option to reduce it's volume. I wasn't aware of this. And since I made the theme, and took suggestions from many, many users, I thought the best option was to remove the sound and let the users know they could still use any sound they want.
Please see https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/2399/carbon-theme-suggestions/76 for the conversation relating to sound.
The original sound is still very much in the theme, just renamed. If you know a little about linux, you can rename it.
Otherwise, I see no reason the sound can't be re-added as default and let users disable sound completely.
Other changes need to be made, such as the RetroPie menu. So you're not alone.
Tho, the attitudes of some people make me wonder why I wanted to spruce the theme up at all? Perhaps I should have left it alone and not give people the option to change the colors of the theme, and streamline it for better performance. But I have heard you! And sound shall be done! :-)
I had no idea so many people liked the flipper sound. Honestly, I've had 100% bad comments on it for the last year. Hahaha.
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@KiloPIE
I just think It's absurd a system like retropie, of which It's core principles are to give people multiple options and ease of use, and patch by patch keeps getting more customizable, has had something like menu sounds removed with no option implemented to toggle them back on. Especially when there was an option to turn them off when they were on by default.
Also I don't see how this can be compared to the video smoothing change, which does have an easy to access option to toggle on/off...
You should demand a refund!
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Ok, fixed several things. For one, the sound will play again. Sorry for removing it, I was under the impression that there was no way to silence it from ES. I do apologize.
Second, fixed the retropie menu. I had errantly overwritten the customized theme.xml with a regular system, thereby losing the custom formatting for this menu. It is fixed now. I removed the icon background to comply with Raspberry Pis with a 128 MB RAM split.
I updated the readme.txt with a little extra information, that is, if you're familiar with Linux and the command line. If you are not familiar with Linux, I would not mess with editing the theme.
PS, I was not fully aware that the new Carbon theme was live for everyone to use. I haven't even had time to get the developers to test it. I know my personal themes can be uploaded when I ask, but a system-default theme I'd like to get tested pretty well before going live with it. Sorry you guys.
Herb has been busy moving and hasn't had time for testing lately. I'll try to contact him and have him update the theme. Otherwise, dun-dun-dun, I will bother Jools. NOOOO!!!!! (hides)
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I'm happy to do the update. Cheers!
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@Rookervik said in Updated Retropie - No Menu Sounds:
Ok, fixed several things. For one, the sound will play again. Sorry for removing it, I was under the impression that there was no way to silence it from ES. I do apologize.
Second, fixed the retropie menu. I had errantly overwritten the customized theme.xml with a regular system, thereby losing the custom formatting for this menu. It is fixed now. I removed the icon background to comply with Raspberry Pis with a 128 MB RAM split.
I updated the readme.txt with a little extra information, that is, if you're familiar with Linux and the command line. If you are not familiar with Linux, I would not mess with editing the theme.
PS, I was not fully aware that the new Carbon theme was live for everyone to use. I haven't even had time to get the developers to test it. I know my personal themes can be uploaded when I ask, but a system-default theme I'd like to get tested pretty well before going live with it. Sorry you guys.
Herb has been busy moving and hasn't had time for testing lately. I'll try to contact him and have him update the theme. Otherwise, dun-dun-dun, I will bother Jools. NOOOO!!!!! (hides)
Hey, sorry about my comment calling the decision to take the sound away weird, i didnt mean for it to come off as rude. didnt know you were unaware of the disable option.
I just tried to run an update from the ES Theme option in retropie, to update carbon to the fixed one, but im still stuck on the no sound version. it wont update.
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@skrapps914 said in Updated Retropie - No Menu Sounds:
Hey, sorry about my comment calling the decision to take the sound away weird, i didnt mean for it to come off as rude. didnt know you were unaware of the disable option.
You think you feel bad. . .mine was the first comment when this theme update started and I complained about the sound--but I actually like it, I just thought it was louder than it should be relative to the emulators. In any case, the activity here by everyone involved is nothing short of amazing! It's really fun to be a part of the community here and participating in RetroPie's evolution.
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I love the RetroPie community, too. It's a lot of fun interacting with everyone.
As far as if the update went live, I'd say probably not. Herb is moving, and Jools is still at work. Be patient young ones. Hehe. If you want to jump the gun (and possibly find more bugs since we haven't tested it well, yet) here's a link to the theme I sent Jools.
Note: If you don't know how to manually install a theme, please don't grab this. Just wait on the developers to get time to get home from work and have a beer. :D
Carbon Update: https://db.tt/WJ4kiAes
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@Rookervik said in Updated Retropie - No Menu Sounds:
Just wait on the developers to get time to get home from work and have a beer.
It's been a long day, I might just have a beer myself. A beer and a shot. That being the case, I'll make it a Depth Charge. Of course you can't have just won Deph Cahrge. Mabe a few snoots of Scothcs to wish things dowm... tatochips. &t he government spyig on tax hikkes for unwed Bigfoots... It's their land too you know!
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... Retrow hoo?
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