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    • markwkiddM
      markwkidd @grant2258
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      @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

      @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

      @markwkidd @grant2258 this is an amazing work i will try to do some testing later.

      is there any controller subtype doing this numbering with my 6 button fighting stick?

      i have retropad configured like this
      YXL
      BAR

      for most games including all neogeo i want
      345
      126
      and i understand that this will be achieved by the 6-button layout subtype

      but for fighting games like sf2 i like to have
      123
      456
      what should i configure there?

      maybe in the end i will end up using
      345
      123
      as my standard so for 3button games i still use only bottom row and for 4 button i will change to snes type yxab
      i would be totally fine setting this manually i just want to hear your advice

      on a 6 button layout you will achieve
      123
      456
      on an arcade panel

      you dont need to map an arcade panel like a controller if you want different layouts like that for some reason youll need to map per game .

      problem is some games need the order like double dragon 2
      1 < hit this direction
      2 jump
      3 > hit this direction

      the
      123
      456

      is a general setting that woks for most games if want so many configurations there is no choice but map them

      Grant maybe to restate the obvious, are you suggesting that robertvb83 use 6-Button as the starting point, with per-game overrides for exceptions?

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        grant2258 Banned @markwkidd
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        @markwkidd

        well he wants controller setups on his panel he will have to most people want arcade panel type behavior

        arcade buttons not all but typical generic are

        1

        12

        123

        1234

        1    2 
          3 
        4    5
        

        123
        456

        cover all accept the 4 in a row a 5 like mk

        we could just do a classic map for the arcade panel if he wants it mapped like a controller though.

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          markwkidd @grant2258
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          • markwkiddM
            markwkidd @grant2258
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            @grant2258 said

            cover all accept the 4 in a row a 5 like mk

            we could just do a classic map for the arcade panel if he wants it mapped like a controller though

            Ah so is what robert needs, in fact The "Classic" map that I hid from the options?

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              grant2258 Banned @markwkidd
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              @markwkidd

              well i dont know if it maps exactly like that would probably be best doing in in panel format anyway they arent binded the same as controllers you would need separate ones fro 8 and 6 panel as well. ive never see people wanting arcade panel controls converted to joypads on a arcade panel before though.

              @robertvb83 you can set retropad per controler now you dont have to worry about your controls pads not mapping right if you choose

              123
              456

              for the arcade sticks like before

              6 button is the old snes just renamed. I did know this would cause some confusion

              here is a picture of a negeo panel http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2832457721_de79766d20_b.jpg

              If you do feel strongly you want a gamepad map added give us the one format you want for the 6 panel. I think everyone should be able to choose a setup we just cant add a million if you know what i mean

              @robertvb83 for me im using a 8 panel stick my mapping is like this i set it up myself.

              4 5 6
              1 2 3 4

              here is a very quick hackish tip. you can add the button as normal or just wire it up to the button 4 there already and still use the 6 button setup

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              • UDb23U
                UDb23 @grant2258
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                @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                here is a picture of a negeo panel

                Exactly the layout I used as reference for my custom 2 player CP (based on ipac2 - keyboard mode)
                :-)

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                  grant2258 Banned @UDb23
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                  @udb23 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                  @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                  here is a picture of a negeo panel

                  Exactly the layout I used as reference for my custom 2 player CP (based on ipac2 - keyboard mode)
                  :-)

                  I found this to be the best all round solution to be honest its just teh cps games that throw it off there has been forum posts in mame asking them to change the button mapping in sf2 to match panel mapped like this. Sf2 is only a few games i really do find it easier to just map them few games. I was going to make this the default option but me and @dankcushions didnt see eye to eye on the subject so i left it at a 6 panel for now rather than offend anyone. dont tell the big guy i kinda like him but he is just as impossible as me at times :)

                  here is my setup
                  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d94KrKLUkotGj9GJVjYDBwdoiazzLFtL/view

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                    grant2258 Banned @grant2258
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                    some other mame2003+ our main man arcadez fixed m92 and m107e irem games sound the sample where very much the wrong pitch on these games. The things that guy does for the project never ceases to amaze me :)

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                      OMG OMG OMG! RAD MOBILE is on the gamelist! I'm trying this out tonight! That is my holy grail of unemulatable games on the pi!

                      A good game to tackle would be to get a more modern driver for Ninja Baseball Bat Man, that runs slow as yuck on the pi!

                      Amazing work! Cant wait to try it out!

                      Vector Artist, Designer and Maker of Stuff: Laser Cut Atari / Pixel Theme Bartop

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                      • robertvb83R
                        robertvb83 @grant2258
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                        @grant2258 @markwkidd in fact i always used the abandoned classic layout :-)

                        I really dont think that my usecase is so special! see after all we are talking about emulation of real arcade machines. Of course it is great to be able to use whatever controller you wish but it should also be basic to control this stuff like it was meant to be. With an arcade control panel
                        arcade panel

                        of course if you chose an arcade layout like original neogeo you are perfect to go with neo geo and all games up to 4 buttons but you are limited to 4 button games. When i decided to build my arcade machine i wanted it to be suitable for most games, including neogeo and consoles but also 6 Button fighting games. So i ended up with my 6 Button fighting stick. I dont have space to place one dedicated cabinet for each game type in my flat :-)

                        So i think many people will chose the same layout actually (in fact i know that because i reseached so many projects before i start building this). So i would say this is a pretty standard layout

                        And i NEVER came to the idea to use the top button row as 123 because these are the buttons for 99% of the arcade games! and i strongly want to use the bottom row primarily because it is way more comfortable if you can rest your hand on the pad. I dont know of anybody that actually uses a cabinet gampad other than sf2 with
                        123
                        456
                        this would only make sense for 6 Buttton games

                        most would use
                        345
                        126
                        or
                        345
                        123

                        Today i would decide to use an 8 Button layout to use the BOTTOM row as 1234 for 4-button game

                        btw. if i chose 6-Button subtype for my original SNES controler it feels also not right to have it mapped, nobody uses a SNES gamepad like this, or am i missing something? Who really uses L Button as Button 3 on a SNES PAD?

                        123
                        YXL
                        BAR
                        456

                        My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                          grant2258 Banned
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                          123
                          YXL
                          BAR
                          456
                          is an arcade panel layout

                          snes pads have a different physical layout they dont have 3 buttons in a row when you bind in retroach 6 pannel look like this on a snes pad

                          3         6
                          l          R
                             1 2 
                             y x
                             b a
                             4 5
                          
                          
                          this is what i mean you want to emulate your snes pad instead of an arcade panel
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                            robertvb83 @grant2258
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                            @grant2258 are you saying it is the meant-to-be control to use
                            1234
                            YXLB on a SNES PAD for Metal Slug?

                            My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                              grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                              @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                              D for

                              we are talkin about arcade panels here not control pads they are both different. you talking about control pads or arcade panels robert?

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                                robertvb83 @grant2258
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                                @grant2258 ok i get that, so all subtypes are only meant to be used for arcade panels?

                                do you get my point that i want my pad as
                                345
                                126

                                My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                  robertvb83 @grant2258
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                                  @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                  @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                  D for

                                  we are talkin about arcade panels here not control pads they are both different. you talking about control pads or arcade panels robert?

                                  ideally both :-D because i have two arcade panels for players 1 and 2 plus two SNES controllers for players 3 and 4

                                  My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                    grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                    @robertvb83

                                    well snes pads will be mapped like i showed above when you pick 6 panel for snes physical controler

                                    and the arcade is mapped to
                                    123
                                    456
                                    with a 6 panel

                                    arcade panels have the buttons in a row so they can do the 123 a snes pad cant.

                                    look in the options menu you pick retropad type per controller now

                                    @robertvb83 i told mark to name snes to snes/6panel in snes pad it maps like it aalways did in arcade mapping it maps to
                                    123
                                    456

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                                      robertvb83 @grant2258
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                                      @grant2258 yes i know but none of the types fit to my needs...

                                      i would pretty much use the old classic for my arcade pad AND my SNES controllers
                                      345
                                      YXL
                                      BAR
                                      126

                                      My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                        grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                        @robertvb83 well youll need to speak to mark about adding that option you really dont like original arcade layouts ? It doesnt effect control pads. Ive never seen somone wanted the panels laid out as a gamepad instead of the original layout

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                                          robertvb83 @grant2258
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                                          @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                          123
                                          YXL
                                          BAR
                                          456
                                          is an arcade panel layout

                                          snes pads have a different physical layout they dont have 3 buttons in a row when you bind in retroach 6 pannel look like this on a snes pad

                                          3         6
                                          l          R
                                             1 2 
                                             y x
                                             b a
                                             4 5
                                          
                                          
                                          this is what i mean you want to emulate your snes pad instead of an arcade panel
                                          

                                          why do i have the feeling that i really dont understand. Why was this thing calles SNES type? Who would ever use this for their SNES controller? Just imagine your super mario games on snes, it can only be

                                          5         6
                                          l          R
                                             34 
                                             y x
                                             b a
                                             12

                                          My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                            grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                            @robertvb83 snes is the sf2 layout for mame on a snes pad i didnt choose it :)

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