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    mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

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    • robertvb83R
      robertvb83 @Riverstorm
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      @riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

      @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:
      I can't think of a single arcade game that stacks 34 above 12 in an arcade panel layout but then again there's 1,000's.

      so can you name me ONE game that stacks 4 above 1 like in
      4
      123

      sorry but this is just not the point! I would play them 1234 if I could! but I cant in my 6 Button layout! so there are only two possibilities for 4-Button games
      456
      123
      or
      345
      123

      and I prefer the latter

      My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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        grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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        @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

        @riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

        @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:
        I can't think of a single arcade game that stacks 34 above 12 in an arcade panel layout but then again there's 1,000's.

        sorry but this is just not the point! I would play them 1234 if I could! but I cant in my 6 Button layout! so there are only two possibilities for 4-Button games
        456
        123
        or
        345
        123

        and I prefer the latter

        Well that clears thing up for me your ok with the 8 panel 4 in a row i was just curious. I can fully undestand you have this preference for a 6 button layout.

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        • RiverstormR
          Riverstorm @robertvb83
          last edited by Riverstorm

          @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

          sorry but this is just not the point!

          I have to admit this seems to be the exact point. That layout that is. I can't name a single game that stacks 4 above 123 but 123 in a row seems to cover more arcade games then 34 above 12. Isn't the point to be closer to how an arcade panel would be laid out?

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          • markwkiddM
            markwkidd
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            word to the wise: if you press enter in your post, then type three tildes ``` then press enter again, you go into fixed-width code mode.

            ASCII will line up correctly.

            At the end of the section you want in fixed-width code mode, you press enter, then enter three more tildes ``` and then press enter one more time.

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            • RiverstormR
              Riverstorm
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              @markwkidd said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

              At the end of the section you want in fixed-width code mode, you press enter, then enter three more tildes ``` and then press enter one more time.

              Good tip!

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              • robertvb83R
                robertvb83 @Riverstorm
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                @riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                sorry but this is just not the point!

                I have to admit this seems to be the exact point. That layout that is. I can't name a single game that stacks 4 above 123 but 123 in a row seems to cover more arcade games then 34 above 12. Isn't the point to be closer to how an arcade panel would be laid out?

                but this is exactly what I am proposing... why is nobody listening :-D

                with

                345
                123
                

                you always have 123 in a row that's the maximum you will ever get in a 6 button layout, you cannot get any closer to a real arcade layout

                I swear to god I go back in time and bore that f***** 4th hole into my panel

                My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                  grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                  yes but you sacrificed a button you duplicated 3 at the top and mess up 6 players when below caters for all. To duplicate your snes pad I understand what you done and have no issue with it people will vote its all about choice.

                  345
                  123
                  
                  456
                  123
                  
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                  • RiverstormR
                    Riverstorm @robertvb83
                    last edited by Riverstorm

                    @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                    but this is exactly what I am proposing... why is nobody listening :-D

                    I am listening to you and I hear you. I do like 123 in the bottom row. :)

                    Where I get lost is 345 on the top row. Can you explain what the thought is around that idea?

                    You'll have two button 3's and completely dump button 6. Why dump button 6 in favor of stacking 34 above 12, as well as, having 123 in a row in the same layout?

                    I can name several games that use 123 in a row but I can't think of a single game that uses 3 stacked above 12. Also any 6 button game is completely unplayable.

                    I get this part of the layout:

                    XXX
                    123
                    

                    but I don't quite get this layout for arcade games favoring two 3 buttons and dumping button 6. Now any 6 button games are completely unplayable and you made ROM level overrides mandatory for them to work if you map like this at the global or core level.

                    3XX
                    123
                    

                    Your arcade cabinet is excellent by the way, nice work!

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                      grant2258 Banned @Riverstorm
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                      @riverstorm

                      none of this will effect core or global mapping it will be a 6_panel_retropie retropad selection. Mame works very different now

                      mame works on a

                      XYL
                      BAR

                      physical binding model so its core friendly

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                      • RiverstormR
                        Riverstorm
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                        @grant2258 - Oh, so if you map 2 button 3's then there's no way to override at the global or system level with retroarch.cfg or core or ROM level. It's a permanent binding while that layout is used? Button 6 would never be mappable/usable when a layout is loaded?

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                          grant2258 Banned @Riverstorm
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                          @riverstorm nope it changable @markwkidd can explain that a lot better than me ich selectable in the ra menus

                          basically you press select +x goto contols change there or remap whichever you prefer

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                          • robertvb83R
                            robertvb83 @Riverstorm
                            last edited by robertvb83

                            @riverstorm I don't know how to explain this any better...

                            I play all games up to 3 buttons with
                            xxx
                            123

                            I play all games with 4 buttons because I just cannot have them in a row!
                            34x
                            12x

                            why would I care for button 6 in a 4 button game?

                            and it would not help at all for 6 button games if I define globaly
                            456
                            123

                            because these games are played
                            123
                            456
                            and I just go into these games and make the 6button scheme right and save a game remap file

                            so this is most effective. think about it I globally define
                            345
                            123
                            so I can play ALL games up to 4 buttons. I don't care about 6 button games for this global scheme because I want to globaly define 99% and only adjust 1% and not the other way round

                            if I would chose globaly
                            456
                            123

                            that would require game specific adaption for all 4button games plus game specific adaption for all 6 Button games

                            maybe someone understands my point and can put it in better words, I seem not to be able to reach anybody... but honestly I am totally fine with everything. either way, I just save my core remapping to fix everything and have a handful game remapping files. that's easy and no big deal.

                            My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                              grant2258 Banned
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                              @robertvb83 no need to explain what your doing your saying you have to have to the snes pad layout for 4 player games. Instead of a panel type layout

                              34
                              12

                              4
                              123

                              which is more arcade friendly

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                                grant2258 Banned
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                                @Riverstorm the only problem with retro pie is its saying auto instead of the retropad name so it will be confusing when remapping.

                                it adds to confustion for users when setting up so mark to talk you thorough this one.
                                0_1528306236656_snapshot.png

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                                • RiverstormR
                                  Riverstorm
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                                  @grant2258 - Ok I was thinking the very essence of RA is the ability to override but I suppose the point is still the same when you have two button 3's mapped and no button 6 you loose some games. I think my question comes down to a single question.

                                  basically you press select +x goto contols change there or remap whichever you prefer

                                  Yeah I call those overrides whether using select+x or manually editing the files directly. I might be using the terminology incorrectly.

                                  @robertvb83 - You'll have two button 3's and completely dump button 6. Why dump button 6 in favor of stacking 34 above 12, as well as, having 123 in a row in the same layout? The key being in the same layout.

                                  I get mapping 3 button games one way and 4 button game another way but saying I want both at the same time in the same layout and dump any 6 player games as a default global mapping definitely seems different.

                                  Remember this is a global remap from RA inputs to MAME inputs. If you do either mappings below at least all games work 100% as a starting point. I think either remap below is better than duplicating inputs and dumping buttons.

                                  123
                                  456
                                  

                                  or

                                  456
                                  123
                                  

                                  It sounds like a perfect override scenario using Mark's idea of a directory remap for similar panel layout games.

                                  Anyway I hear and understand your point but I am not sure I would vote that way! ;)

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                                    grant2258 Banned @Riverstorm
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                                    just want schematics out the way the only real question is the default buttons layout :)

                                    for what its worth i vote with yours mr river because of my palm rest and that how I like my buttons setup if i was using 6 buttons:)

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                                    • robertvb83R
                                      robertvb83 @Riverstorm
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                                      @riverstorm i explained in detail how it is most effective for me to configure all 3/4/6 button games

                                      i am not dumping anything. i dont map button 6 in 4 button games, whoo hoo

                                      there is no difference for 6 button games if you chose
                                      456
                                      123
                                      or
                                      345
                                      123

                                      in both cases 6 button games have to be changed to
                                      123
                                      456

                                      so i really dont get it why you keep saying i lose some benefit for 6 button games. it is just not the case

                                      believe it or not, the summarized effort to configure 1000 games is less if i chose my layout globally compared to your favored layout. this is the reason for me to do this and i thought many people that are bound to only 6 buttons are thinking the same. i dont care of a fitting subtype! its almost equally simple to get everything right

                                      My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                        grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                        http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

                                        not true

                                        123
                                        456

                                        is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

                                        456
                                        123

                                        swaps the kick and punch rows is all but is more comfortable for palm rest on all all other games. I know you prefer the gampad way that requires a few setups not arguing with you about this your layout is in the list!

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                                          grant2258 Banned @grant2258
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                                          @Riverstorm i added the button labels to retropie this is how it should look. I do hope retroipe add the button labels when you set your controller up

                                          0_1528309421247_snapshot.png

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                                          • robertvb83R
                                            robertvb83 @grant2258
                                            last edited by

                                            @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                            http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

                                            not true

                                            123
                                            456

                                            is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

                                            this is exhausting because it is EXACTLY what i said, read my post again

                                            this is why i do not see any benefit of
                                            456
                                            123
                                            when it comes to 6 button games because you still need to change it for 6 button games

                                            My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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