mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

grant2258

@johnodon yes thats the usual way people do it you can also press + on your numpad it puts the ra volume up and down as well. No idea if it works on retropie should do though

gizmobjb

@darknior I would like to know this as well.

Riverstorm

@greenhawk84 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Is Killer Instinct playable or is it super slow?

On a Pi 3 it's like playing in slow motion but it does run fine. Not really playable due to speed though.

I read we must use the CHD files, but is there an updated ROMDAT to use the good set ?

You can download it under the metadata on the Github site here. It may be a few days old though.

You can also start any game, pull up the 'TAB' menu, arrow down to 'Generate XML DAT' and press 'Enter'. It will write out the most current DAT directly from code to /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mame2003-plus/metadata/mame2003-plus.xml

johnodon

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Also several minor improvements for games behind the scenes like getting into 'F2', etc. have been fixed.

Does this actually work? I thought it may have been just an 'Arcade' folder issue but I copied the same ROM to the 'mame-libretro' folder and F2 still isn't working for me when launching with lr-mame2003-plus. If I launch the same ROM with lr-mame2003 in either the folder it works as expected.

Riverstorm

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

If I launch the same ROM with lr-mame2003

I think fixes are on a per ROM basis, not every ROM. What ROM are you trying to get into the Service menu?

johnodon

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

If I launch the same ROM with lr-mame2003

I think fixes are on a per ROM basis, not every ROM. What ROM are you trying to get into the Service menu?

Pretty much any of the ones listed above that require the volume to be increased. NBA Hangtime is the ones I have been trying.

Riverstorm

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

NBA Hangtime is the ones I have been trying.

I tested nbahangt under the Arcade folder for both 2003 and Plus and I was able to pull up the service menu on both ok. I am using the older 4.3 if that's making the difference.

johnodon

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

NBA Hangtime is the ones I have been trying.

I tested nbahangt under the Arcade folder for both 2003 and Plus and I was able to pull up the service menu on both ok. I am using the older 4.3 if that's making the difference.

OK...I'm rebuilding my test box right now. I'll try again later.

johnodon

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

NBA Hangtime is the ones I have been trying.

I tested nbahangt under the Arcade folder for both 2003 and Plus and I was able to pull up the service menu on both ok. I am using the older 4.3 if that's making the difference.

Maybe I am dong something wrong...

On a fresh install, this is what I get when testing nbahangt:

Folder: mame-libretro, Core: lr-mame2003...F2 enters service menu
Folder: arcade, Core: lr-mame2003...F2 enters service menu
Folder: mame-libretro, Core: lr-mame2003-plus...F2 --> "core does not support save states"
Folder: arcade, Core: lr-mame2003-plus...F2 --> "core does not support saves states"

I'm assuming that this is a simple mapping issue but why would the mapping be different out-of-the-box for mame2003-plus vs maame2003?

grant2258

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

NBA Hangtime is the ones I have been trying.

I tested nbahangt under the Arcade folder for both 2003 and Plus and I was able to pull up the service menu on both ok. I am using the older 4.3 if that's making the difference.

Maybe I am dong something wrong...

On a fresh install, this is what I get when testing nbahangt:

Folder: mame-libretro, Core: lr-mame2003...F2 enters service menu
Folder: arcade, Core: lr-mame2003...F2 enters service menu
Folder: mame-libretro, Core: lr-mame2003-plus...F2 --> "core does not support save states"
Folder: arcade, Core: lr-mame2003-plus...F2 --> "core does not support saves states"

I'm assuming that this is a simple mapping issue but why would the mapping be different out-of-the-box for mame2003-plus vs maame2003?

https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/17766/mame2003-plus-250-new-games-new-input-system-new-features-new-bugs/354

if you want keyboard only choose keyboard instead of simu

*sorry fixed the link was one above it

if you want keyboard to controls to work like the old mame2003 you need to go to rgui->options and change input interface to simultaneous

the other two methods explain themselfs

Riverstorm

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Maybe I am dong something wrong...

You're trying to get to the screen shown below correct? I thought it might help to verify we are on the same page.

I downloaded both 2003 and Plus from source last night and both work fine with the game in the Arcade folder to pull up the service menu. I am using 4.3, what version are you running?

Also as @grant2258 pointed out above I have my 'Input Interface' set to 'Simultaneous'. Are you able to at least pull up the TAB menu?

johnodon

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Maybe I am dong something wrong...

You're trying to get to the screen shown below correct? I thought it might help to verify we are on the same page.

I downloaded both 2003 and Plus from source last night and both work fine with the game in the Arcade folder to pull up the service menu. I am using 4.3, what version are you running?

Also as @grant2258 pointed out above I have my 'Input Interface' set to 'Simultaneous'. Are you able to at least pull up the TAB menu?

That's exactly it.

I am running v4.4.2

For mame2003+, If I set my input to "mame keyboard" I can get to the service menu using F2. I don't have to do this for mame2003...it works out-of-the-box.

grant2258

Mame2003 had a problems with double inputs from the Kb ra inputs and mame inputs both activated when pressed.

Mame 2003+ offers you an option of retropad,keyboard or the default mame2003 behavior simultaneous which has it's issues. If you don't know they are or experience them in your setup just set it to simu.

Hopefully mark documents this all one day as he put a lot of work into it and the system works a lot better with ra without the need to define keys in mames tab menu thats why the menu for defining keys is off by default

johnodon

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Mame2003 had a problems with double inputs from the Kb ra inputs and mame inputs both activated when pressed.

Mame 2003+ offers you an option of retropad,keyboard or the default mame2003 behavior simultaneous which has it's issues. If you don't know they are or experience them in your setup just set it to simu.

Hopefully mark documents this all one day as he put a lot of work into it and the system works a lot better with ra without the need to define keys in mames tab menu thats why the menu for defining keys is off by default

That makes perfect sense! TY for the explanation grant.

John

Riverstorm

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

That makes perfect sense! TY for the explanation grant.

Just out of curiosity have you tried that setting with 4.4.3 to see if does work?

johnodon

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

That makes perfect sense! TY for the explanation grant.

Just out of curiosity have you tried that setting with 4.4.3 to see if does work?

Did you mean 4.3 (not 4.4.3)?

I have been building my test machines multiple times a day and they are all at 4.4.2. I'm forcing an update right now on one of them but I don't expect the version to increase since I just imaged it this morn.

John

Riverstorm

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Did you mean 4.3 (not 4.4.3)?

Sorry, I meant 4.4.2 or the version you're currently running if it works to set the Input Interface to get into service menu.

johnodon

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Did you mean 4.3 (not 4.4.3)?

Sorry, I meant 4.4.2 or the version you're currently running if it works to set the Input Interface to get into service menu.

It does work. I only tried 'mame_keyboard' and I was able to access to the service menu.

I'll try 'simultaneous' as soon as one of these two system finishes updating.

Riverstorm

@johnodon said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

I'll try 'simultaneous' as soon as one of these two system finishes updating.

I think it should work fine if keyboard is working. It's handy if it's a hybrid setup and you need to configure keyboard input (devices) as well as joysticks at the same time. It's giving you 3 options out of the box and it probably fits the RA model cleaner so it's off by default. Basically you have to pick keyboard only, joystick only or both and with both you have the Retropad abstraction layer issues that are present in mame2003. With mame2003 it's on and you can't shut it off. It's not needed but does give you some additional flexibility if it fits a configuration need.

akafox

the pi is a 400MHz 8086 (a pentium 2 running at 4000MHz intel cpu) although the pi 3 might be a little faster

I never could run MK or any midway games on my 400MHz computer back in 1998..
there was a version of mame called "FastMAME". As far as i can tell it was compiled with a different compiler. But the speed was crazy With that I could run MK and some other Midway games. That was it though.

Wish they had released the source code...anyone want to try and reverse engineer it for the pi!? :D xD

(Yes I know the PI is a quad core 1.4 GHz cpu blah blah...but the CPUs are NOT the same you can not compare a RISC ARM based CPU and an 8086 intel CPU by numbers and say this one is faster...)