mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

[Clyde]

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

i dont get why you suddenly need the set to none now you never did before.

I missed that feature in mame2003 and mame2003-plus since I came to Retropie, because the newer MAME versions have it (0.185 in my case).

In a newer MAME, you can set any binding zu none by either pressing DEL without pressing ENTER beforehand or by pressing ENTER to change the binding, but exit the change with a single ESC. This works in both Input (general) and Input (this game). It would be nice to have this backported to mame2003 and/or mame2003-plus.

edit: It may eben a bug, since @markwkidd also suggested here to press DEL without ENTER. But this doesn't work in mame2003(-plus).

[grant2258]

well when you press a key it chages might be the behavior of mame078 i would need to check. What its is setting it to defaults in the source. The defaults are here

https://github.com/libretro/mame2003-plus-libretro/blob/master/src/inptport.c#L403-L854

we can remove all defaults and you will need to set it up like mame to me it looks like the defaults with joystick codes are the ones.

It looks like the bind is only sticking to settings that have a retropad setting so if you want this you will have to set mame up from scratch.

[Clyde]

@grant2258 It may be that you misunderstand me/us or I am misunderstanding you. 😇

The defaults are not a problem and in fact very convenient, that's why @Riverstorm called the deletion of the whole cfg file for a game "a bit brutal". The feature we are missing is to easily delete any existing single binding via the Tab menu, not all of them. Just like it is in later mame versions.

[grant2258]

ok do this go to input general go to p1 start press delete or esc twice will see
it will work as you expect it to when pressing del in this game now.

i think this is actually normal behavior to use the defaults set when setting resetting a key.

Its really up to mark if he want to put work in the tab menu as far as i know its eventually going in 2003+

im going to look into the mame078 see if this is default behavior or something that was introduced here is the best i can do

[Clyde]

@grant2258 Do I have to update mame2003-plus first if my last update was yesterday morning?

I'm asking because in mame2003-plus from yesterday morning, delete does not work and double-esc will only set a binding to none in Input (general), but copy the general binding in Input (this game). See my test results from friday.

Has anything changed in this behaviour since yesterday morning?

edit: changed friday to yesterday morning when I did the test.

[grant2258]

yes change your input mode to mame. it equivalent to mame simultaneous. You guys are choosing to talk about the tab menu unstead of the new implementation so i dont know what to say. Its impossible to anser any questions unless your on the latest commit.

[grant2258]

can you start a new top somewhere on the latest version and we can take it from there so people interested can look at it if they feel like it. This is just bloating this thread with advance setups most people wont use

[Clyde]

@grant2258 I'm updating right now and report back in a new thread.

[grant2258]

@Clyde thanks that way we can deal with what your asking

[Clyde]

@grant2258 Done. :)

[grant2258]

thanks for that clyde helps us keep different issues that need delt with

[UDb23]

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

best to do an issue on github

done. thanks.

[grant2258]

well the whole ipac fix thing went to the background on the noise with the tab menu its in another thread if anyone can share there reasons for this there

[hhromic]

@grant2258 thanks for the PR for the new approach!. I will try it as soon as I can and report back.

I saw you re-enabled the old input_interface core option. Now it can be set to either retroarch or mame. Does this mean we can choose what input the core will listen too exclusively? In other words, to be clear:

• input_interface = retroarchwill make the core only listen to RetroPad input and ignore the raw keyboard input?
• input_interface = mame will make the core only listen to the raw keyboard input and ignore RetroPad input?

Is the above correct? Of course, when in retroarch mode we can make use of all of RA's input binding system, and with mame mode all bindings are done with the internal TAB menu, no?

If all the above is correct, then I think is a very good solution as will totally eliminate double-input and will please both kind of users, the ones that need more advanced mappings (TAB menu) and the ones that are fine with the simpler retroarch system.

Thanks again for the quick response and support. Great stuff!

[grant2258]

nearly there @hhromic

input_interface = retroarchwill make the core only listen to RetroPad input and ignore the raw keyboard input? -< yes it will only listen to retropads

input_interface = listen to keyboard and retropad and the nasty binds as well (double inputs)

the solution mam mode is use game focus

[grant2258]

I can add a keyboard only option as well if you want that but the underlying issue of double binding is still there but the option can be added if you see any good reason for it. The bad in this is all retropads are disabled in the old keyboard mode

however mame mode with game focus will give you full keyboard access and your normal retropads(controllers will work fine)

[hhromic]

@grant2258 ahh I see.

For my case the retroarch mode will save the day and is enough. However, pure mame keyboard (non-simultaneous) may be useful for other users. Also would make the configuration options more complete (pure-retroarch, pure-mame, mixed). If there is no interest from others, then I don't think is needed.

Thanks again and as soon as I can test it I will report back to confirm. Cheers!

[grant2258]

@hhromic the thing is mame simultaneous mode with game focus mode on is the same as the old keyboard only difference is you can use your original joypads as well.

the ipac will only send keycode because game focus mode turns all retroarch bindings off including retropads. Hope this clears things up

[hhromic]

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

@hhromic the thing is mame simultaneous mode with game focus mode on is the same as the old keyboard only difference is you can use your original joypads as well.

the ipac will only send keycode because game focus mode turns all retroarch bindings off including retropads. Hope this clears things up

Sounds good. I agree that "retroarch + game focus = mame only".
But, what about the case of people who want the "old keyboard" without the hassle of having to enter game focus mode every time?

That's the use case I can see where having a "mame only" mode along the other ones is handy. I think is also less confusing to clearly have these three modes (retroarch-only, mame-only or simultaneous). Users will know clearly what each mode does and use what is best for them.

[grant2258]

@hhromic said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

@hhromic the thing is mame simultaneous mode with game focus mode on is the same as the old keyboard only difference is you can use your original joypads as well.

the ipac will only send keycode because game focus mode turns all retroarch bindings off including retropads. Hope this clears things up

Sounds good. I agree that "retroarch + game focus = mame only".
But, what about the case of people who want the "old keyboard" without the hassle of having to enter game focus mode every time?

That's the use case I can see where having a "mame only" mode along the other ones is handy. I think is also less confusing to clearly have these three modes (retroarch-only, mame-only or simultaneous). Users will know clearly what each mode does and use what is best for them.

We could do that I have no issues with adding keyboard only the average user is not going to understand the difference though and wonder why his/her controllers no longer work.

The good thing is you understand whats going on its a relief to be honest. As for mame mode there really is no choice but to use game focus mode if you have any keys bound to a retropad which you will if your using an ipac. This is how you would use mame2003 with an ipac without any issues assuming you mame keys are set right

just to clarify the 3 modes you are presenting.

retroarch - only send retropad bind to mame mask out the keypress because of retropad bind in ra config

keyboard - only send keyboard binds mask out all retropad binds only keys work

mame - send both (you will need to use game focus mode for this if you have any keys bound to a retropad in your ra config)

mame == simultaneous mode in the old scheme

edit: have put a pull request in for the 3 modes if its accepted consider it done :). I dropped down from a collaborator to a contributor on mame2003+ so i did not have to deal with people saying I was making the choices for myself. It makes my life easier for me not dealing with the politics