Retroarch 1.7.5 causing FPS drops for CPS 3 games

RedBatman · 25 Oct 2018, 05:43

@grant2258 said in Retroarch 1.7.5 causing FPS drops for CPS 3 games:

you could try revert d313472bf07332ee429a80f906252dca348975e5 commit compile and see how it runs

https://github.com/libretro/fbalpha/commit/d313472bf07332ee429a80f906252dca348975e5#diff-d51bfb6a692321f4224209e955b76d48

I don't know how to do that either. But if FBA 2012 works good still then I'm fine with it, just as long as the current fba doesn't get any worse.

DarishZone · 27 Oct 2018, 23:34

There's a way to revert to an older version of Retroarch?

UDb23 · 28 Oct 2018, 07:28

@RedBatman A new version is available. Is the issue still there ?

Darksavior · 28 Oct 2018, 10:42

I retested using lr-fbalpha 2.97.44 from source. No change. To compare the differences to .42, using my pi3b+ overclocked to 1450, it runs as fast as a stock pi3 non + used to run at which is 60fps most of the time with dips of ~59.5-.7.

barbudreadmon · 28 Oct 2018, 10:43

Ok, i didn't know about the speed regression. There was indeed a huge CPS3 patch a few weeks ago to fix some bugs (it was mostly for jojoba actually, until very recently the combo meter in this game wasn't working properly in any emulator, see https://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/2018/10/02/little-changes-part-2/ for the news). I'll look if something can be done about it, however i won't revert a fixed code to a buggy code, as far as i understand this bug is not even happening if you own a rpi3b+ or if you overclock your rpi3...

Darksavior · 14 Nov 2018, 09:44

Pi3b nonplus at 1300 with SF3:
.44 from source using default compile: Supers drop to ~58.x fps.
.44 from source using altered compile settings: Supers drop to ~59.xfps.

I believe this is the part that helps but I'll post the patches link for system.sh. I basically added all the green text and removed the red text. I replaced -O2 with -O3. YMMV. Supposedly -O3 " there's known issues in GCC 6.3.0 with some of the optimizations it enables."
+ __default_cflags="-O3 -march=armv8-a+crc -mtune=cortex-a53 -mfpu=neon-fp-armv8 -mfloat-abi=hard -ftree-vectorize -funsafe-math-optimizations -funroll-loops -funswitch-loops"

https://gist.github.com/GrieverV/b3d1a8e2c23c295b802f9e33286437c6

barbudreadmon · 14 Nov 2018, 13:52

@Darksavior except if retropie build script is totally ignoring my fbalpha makefile, i think the relevant part in what you wrote is -funroll-loops -funswitch-loops :

-ftree-vectorize is included in -O3, which is the fbalpha default
afaik -funsafe-math-optimizations should only have an impact on games using a lot of arythmetic function, it shouldn't be the case for cps3 (on a sidenote, raiden2 uses them a lot)

Thanks for the information, i'll do some tests and if those flags are interesting speed-wise, i'll add them to default fbalpha cflags.

Edit : actually -funswitch-loops is also part of -O3, meaning only -funroll-loops is relevant.
Edit2 : i've been thinking for some time that this change is the culprit, so having a speedup with -funroll-loops makes a lot of sense actually.

barbudreadmon · 15 Nov 2018, 15:03

Do you guys have rewind disabled for cps3 ? While it was kinda ok to let it enabled previously, recent updates won't allow it anymore speedwise.

Darksavior · 16 Nov 2018, 04:27

@barbudreadmon It's disabled by default so it's not enabled for me.

barbudreadmon · 16 Nov 2018, 09:54

@Darksavior -funroll-loops is now part of the fbalpha makefile.

barbudreadmon · 17 Nov 2018, 09:46

@Darksavior Another commit was applied to the fbalpha cps3 codebase today, it appears part of the jojoba combo meter fix could be optimized. Let me know if the slowdowns still happen.

Darksavior · 17 Nov 2018, 12:24

@barbudreadmon No real change on the pi3b nonplus at 1300. SF3 dips to 59.x most of the time especially when doing a super. Funny, fba2012 isn't a stable 60fps either but it dips a lot less. Maybe this is the best it can be. Not even my pi3b+ at 1450 gets a stable 60fps in lr-fbalpha.

barbudreadmon · 17 Nov 2018, 12:37

@Darksavior cps3 refresh rate is actually 59.583393 (see http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/dettaglio_mame.php?game_name=sfiii&lang=en), so not having a stable 60fps is actually normal behavior.

Darksavior · 17 Nov 2018, 23:27

@barbudreadmon That explains it. So at this point I just want no static, so I connected it to my main 4k tv at 1080p with audio instead of the 1440x900 monitor to test. Supers still get static and in one instance had a drop to 58fps but fba2012 is way more stable in the fps and no severe slowdowns when doing supers. As long as people have a viable alternative I'd consider this "done".

Pi3b at 1300 users should use 2012. Pi3b+ users are fine.

RedBatman · 18 Nov 2018, 17:21

@Darksavior said in Retroarch 1.7.5 causing FPS drops for CPS 3 games:

@barbudreadmon That explains it. So at this point I just want no static, so I connected it to my main 4k tv at 1080p with audio instead of the 1440x900 monitor to test. Supers still get static and in one instance had a drop to 58fps but fba2012 is way more stable in the fps and no severe slowdowns when doing supers. As long as people have a viable alternative I'd consider this "done".

Pi3b at 1300 users should use 2012. Pi3b+ users are fine.

Yeah I myself tried the binary update and while it was a little better there was still noticeable audio lag, especially in Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact.

grant2258 · 18 Nov 2018, 18:36

check your deviation from ra youll need logging on

[INFO] Saved core options file to "C:\msys64\usr\local\bin\retroarch-core-options.cfg"
[INFO] [Video]: Average monitor Hz: 60.006001 Hz. (1.540 % frame time deviation, based on 2048 last samples).
[INFO] [Video]: Average monitor Hz: 60.006001 Hz. (1.540 % frame time deviation, based on 2048 last samples).

see if its a sound/video sync issue i dont have the romset from fba but it could be this as well

pjft · 28 Nov 2018, 09:30

@RedBatman did you end up confirming whether the latest code addresses the issue? I've been wanting to update lr-fbalpha but have held off since you opened this.

barbudreadmon · 28 Nov 2018, 10:54

@pjft There were some improvement speedwise, however it appears there are some slowdowns depending on your overclocking. It might be 100% ok on retropie at 1350mhz, i can't confirm since i don't use retropie (i'm using a highly customized linux and not debian-based setup) and it's running fine on mine at a lower frequency.

Anyway i don't intend to look more into this, because you already have several option to solve this if you don't want to stay forever at an older commit :

using a higher overclocking value (1350 might be ok).
using a frameskip of 1 in core options would most likely solve this issue
a rpi3b+ is only 35$ and it has been reported to solve the issue.
using an old core for those games (fba2012 ?), however you won't benefit from the fixes to the cps3 driver (jojoba combo meter and some graphical glitches due to tile priority issues)

pjft · 28 Nov 2018, 12:59

@barbudreadmon by all means, that sounds fair. I have a 3B+, but it wasn't clear to me whether it would be working fine there.

I'll test it out when I'm back. I was mostly considering upgrading as I noticed that the high scores for Mars Matrix weren't saving in the build I was running. PGM bios, I think.

Thanks for the good work.

barbudreadmon · 28 Nov 2018, 13:05

@pjft said in Retroarch 1.7.5 causing FPS drops for CPS 3 games:

I noticed that the high scores for Mars Matrix weren't saving in the build I was running

Might be an old build or a missing entry in your hiscore.dat then. That's a cps2 game and hiscores should work in cps2 games (i added hiscore support to cps1/cps2 in june 2018).

Also, be careful about romsets after updating : https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/19741/new-fb-alpha-libretro-pre-v0-2-97-44