No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.
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@FlyingTomahawk said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
I didn't down vote anyone's post here or in any other topic unless they contain swearing or really offensive behavior. Neither did he. mitu, quicksilver, you or who ever is involved in this conversation are entitled to your opinions. So am I, as long no one of us shoots under the belt line.
@John_RM_70 didn't get any downvotes until he started angrily accusing me - or any other moderators - about ganging up. I noted that in my latest reply to the topic.
The down vote system should not be abused to express a disagreement in opinion but to make post visible that are not appropriate.
I agree, and probably that's why the downvotes appeared - for @John_RM_70 - after he went off-topic. I don't know who downvoted you, but it's probably because you ignored the 'please don't amplify the drama' request.
In future, at least show the names of the down voters so we can ask why. You can see the names on up votes when mouse over but not on down votes.
I'm not sure if it's a setting or just how the forum software works. As a moderator, I can see the same info as you (i.e. I don't see who downvited), so it might be something that's built into the forum software.
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It was my first post. The don't make a drama warning comment came after it.
I just know it got out of hand quickly and it ain't the first time. I am visiting many other forums for other hobbies of mine and none has this kind of behavior issues. Maybe emulation makes people aggressive? Can't say for sure.
A thicker skin is probably more appropriate in this forum.
Anyways, as Buzz said I shouldn't make a big fuss out of it.
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@FlyingTomahawk as a moderator i can see all the downvotes (@mitu, you click on the vote count - it’s a little tricky on mobile!)
anyway, i think your comment agreeing that the moderators are like the gestapo is downvote-worthy. the gestapo were tasked with investigating and capturing the jews so they could be slaughtered; we’re trying to keep discussion about emulation civil. cmon dude!
but yeah, things can get heated about all sorts of daft things online. let’s all get along ❤️
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@dankcushions said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
@mitu, you click on the vote count - it’s a little tricky on mobile!
You're right - while the 'upvotes' appear on a simple hover, the 'downvotes' do not. Thanks for mentioning, I guess I was to lazy to click around :).
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@dankcushions said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
anyway, i think your comment agreeing that the moderators are like the gestapo is downvote-worthy.
Indeed a poor choice of word/quote by me and I apologize for it.
I just felt that the ban hammer flew faster then Thor's Mjolnir that's all. Usually in other forums you get 1-2 warnings and then evtl. a temporary or permanent ban. But then again it is Buzz's forum and the fact is that he can do as he pleases and he decided to give the guy a cool off time. But I wouldn't be surprised if he won't show up anymore.
Like I said the guys were talking past each other. One guy talks about oranges the others about apples. And calling someone a Troll is just putting more oil into the fire instead of defusing the situation. I take it that most of us here are in our 40s-50s?? Adults talking to each other should not ended the way it did.
Anyways, things have been said and done and now it is over. So let's get back on topic otherwise Buzz will have a hell of a clean up to do.
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@FlyingTomahawk said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
"I take it that most of us here are in our 40s-50s?? ."Nope, way under that dude. Although a fully fledged adult.
Back on topic, I'm slightly disappointed at the lack of a new Pi this year, but it will save me pennies. I've bought a few 3's this year to make retrogaming systems for my friends. Although there are some limitations with the Retropie and its emulation (particularly N64) I find tinkering with the software/emulation/retropie far more satisfying than upgrading the hardware. If that makes any sense. I'm by no means gifted when it comes to coding, so its good to learn.
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For me its ok not having a new generation of Raspi this year. :-) So we can play with what we got now. At least I will, because I just finished my first year in RetroPie. For you maybe its a longer time since you started RetroPie and Raspberry Pi, so I can understand that you want a new toy.
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@goobatroopa lol @ assuming all retrogamers are 40-50 years old
I am 17
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I am 45, so in my case it matches 😂
@topic: i am also a bit dissapointed that there will be no Pi4 this year, but i can unterstand that.
I am at the point that i cannot improve my image for the Pi3B+ any more.
So i will use the time till the release of the Pi4 by switching back to a PC, in fact a Intel NUC Mini-PC with enough power for any system i would like to emulate including PS2, GameCube and Saturn.
I will use Launchbox as Frontend, so i will be busy and dont have to be too bored till 2020. -
@sirhenrythe5th said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
Intel NUC Mini-PC
They look cool and have powerful specs; still way too expensive for just retrogaming. If you use it also as a standard pc it could make sense.
I got my old i7 with a quite nice graphics card that I use mainly for photography related sw and sometimes for "serious" PC gaming (read: Company of Heroes II).Still having a small (and silent) device to connect to a 55' TV and play the classics is a totally different story :-)).
And yes, all that tinkering with settings/configs and artwork is big part of the fun.
While waiting for the new Pi plenty of artwork is still to be created to make my "perfect" personal Retropie. -
@UDb23 said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
While waiting for the new Pi plenty of artwork is still to be created to make my "perfect" personal Retropie.
You sharing that artwork is at least one thing I can look forward to then :)
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@UDb23 to be honest i really want to use the NUC only for retrogaming 😊
I dont use Office or similar programs at home since i work with it every day in my job.
Emulation is my main hobby since 20 years now and so i have no problem with paying more than for a Pi (talking about the NUC i7 Enthusiast btw. It's about 750€ here in germany which is even less expensive than my Athlon FX-55 i bought in 2003. And that was only a CPU 😊)Of course my beloved Raspberry Pi will be used further on!!! I love my setup with the CRT, something that will not be possible so easily with a NUC
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@quicksilver said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
You sharing that artwork is at least one thing I can look forward to then :)
And here you go ;-)
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I guess it gives them a year to improve software support
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@thelostsoul said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
For me its ok not having a new generation of Raspi this year. :-)
Same here. My Pi 3b (without
+) runs all the systems that I need in my upright arcade cabinet, and I have too many games to play anyway. For anything else I have my Linux PCs (1 Tower PC that I seldom use nowadays, 1 Mini PC, and 1 Laptop).That said, anyone who was hoping for a Pi 4 this year has my sincerest sympathy.
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Kind of weird responses from Upton... I was not expecting the Pi 4 this year, but some of his answers made me raise my eyebrows, especially these:
"I think we kind of understand what featureset we want [and] what would be involved in getting that featureset. I don’t think we have a defined plan for turning that into a product yet."
Upton told us that he and his team haven't yet decided on a process node.
So he wants us to believe that since the Pi 3 was released in 2016, they might have gained somewhat of an understanding of the features they want but they don't even have a plan for how to turn it into a product. Considering the challenges they face, i.e. the need for a completely new SoC, I'd say that means the Pi is at least two years away from launch. The chance of them going from "there's no defined plan" to having designed/manufactured/tested a new SoC, implemented it on a new board and written launch ready software/drivers for it in one year are slim, to say the least. I'm a programmer and embedded systems designer myself, so I have at least some experience to draw from.
All of the above is if Upton is completely honest in his answers. There's at least some chance he's just trolling us all.
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@Brunnis said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
There's at least some chance he's just trolling us all.
One can hope
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with eric anholt (the guy who wrote the open source driver for the pi's VC4 gpu) about a year deep into writing the open source driver for the broadcom VC5 gpu (see https://anholt.github.io/twivc4/) i think it's a fairly good bet that the RPI4 will have VC5 (gles 3.1, vulkan, etc), which i assume dictates the kind of cpu/chipset/memory configs it can have, etc.
there's also been engineers on the RPI forum saying they know what it's going to be (i can't find the link), so i think upton is being a little bit evasive for whatever reason. i'm pretty sure they know the design at this point.
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@dankcushions I seem to remember also something like this - maybe it was this topic ?
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@mitu said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
@dankcushions I seem to remember also something like this - maybe it was this topic ?
yes, that's it - thanks! specifically: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1409794#p1409794
Everything we have done so far has evolved the original design. I know the specs of the Pi4. It's not an evolution, it's a revolution and a HUGE step up.
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