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grant2258

@Riverstorm the default is set to l3 in input general if you map in your ra config the menu will open. The reality is mame only used 6 buttons so l2 r2 l3 r3 are possibilities

Riverstorm

@grant2258 - Ah, I see, so Retropad ignores keyboard input? Keyboard ignores controller input and simultaneous allows both keyboard, controller and RA inputs, hence the double inputs?

What if you wanted to use RA only for both keyboard and controller. That is Legacy Remapping set to disabled?

grant2258

no thats input interface = simultaneous

Legacy Remapping enabled == allows you to use the tab menu mame osd like you do in mame to set your controls

Legacy Remapping disabled == use ra quick menu->controls for setting controls its far from complete

grant2258

Let me re itterated when you map keyboard input setting in ra config

it sends that key and a retropad bind you bound it too to the core

mame picks both these inputs up in the core if we choose a mode other than simultaneous it drops the one you dont want. hope that was clear this is so ipac users have options.

in simultaneous mode we accept both

game focus mode disables all ra extra binds sends from the keyboard and keyboard is freed up to work as it should apart from the game focus key

Riverstorm

@grant2258 - So when Legacy Remapping is disabled does changing Input Interface make a difference?

What's the difference between "setting in ra config" and a "retropad bind"? I think of them as the same thing. Basically going into settings -> input -> user 1 binds.

grant2258

ok lets deal with one thing at a time forget legacy mode == disabled this just disabled the tab menu right now nothing more at the moment.

"What's the difference between "setting in ra config" and a "retropad bind"? I think of them as the same thing. Basically going into settings -> input -> user 1 binds."

yes this correct

Riverstorm

So what is "that key" and the "retropad bind" is sent to the core. The retropad bind I get but what is "that key" mean?

grant2258

in ra config

input_player2_a = "s"

ra sends the keycode s as it should and adds a retropad2 a joycode

in simultaneous mode in mame
you pressed s and retropad2 a

Riverstorm

When in the TAB menu you see this line:

P2 Button 1 = a or RP2 B or Mouse2 LClick

Is "a" and "mouse click" the other key, whereas, RP2 B is the RA bind, not sure if that makes sense.

Riverstorm

Ok, so when I see in quick menu -> controls Auto: 9 (N/A), (Key: num1) Start.

The num1 is the RA bind and the 9 is the retropad joycode? I always think of it as binding two keys to one input?

Can you give me an example of where you set the "retropad2 a joycode" or is that both in one line?

grant2258

im lost what are you asking? If you stuggling with this just use game focus mode

Riverstorm

Sorry I am not quite getting the "retropad2 a joycode". I get the input_player2_a = "s" set in my retroarch.cfg

I think of binds as RA in the settings -> input or quick menu -> controls but also in the controls menu you can see the controller binds. Like button 9 is select/credits usually on a controller for me but I am taking it the controller is not the "retropad2 a joycode". :)

grant2258

it means button 9 on the controller and keynum1 is mapped to start

is this case scenario keynum1 would sent sent the a retropad start and keycode keynum1

Riverstorm

If I can get that piece I get the input options now. in dropping one or the other or accepting both.

Riverstorm

When I think of the RA retropad I think of two bindings, one to the keyboard and one to the controller for each input?

grant2258

ive already told you this when you bind a key to a retropad it sends that key and retropad start bound to to the core.

a real retropad only sends the retropad start when you press button 9

game focus mode stops the retropad start being sent from the keyboard when its bound on so the keycode sends and works like it should.

the keyboard only option tells mame to drop "all" retropad binds
the retropad option tells mame to drop "all" keyboard inputs

this is all options covered so ipac users can choose a setup for them

hope this makes sense to you

Riverstorm

@grant2258 - Ah, the light bulb turned on, thank you very much. Just more question if it's easy. What do the Input Interface options do, if anything, when legacy mode is disabled?

Riverstorm

About 14 things just snapped into place all at once. ;)

grant2258

honestly it will function the same all legacy disabled does at the moment is hide the tab menu and uses separate config files. Its at a stage now where it can be worked on without modes disturbing each other.

Riverstorm

Ok, I see what you're saying now that makes sense when you say it's incomplete at the moment. There's a way to go on the RA side.

Well dang, I would hate to try and put all that in a manual and have it make sense. Whoever dreamed up RA, all I can say is--wow. I have no idea if it's possible to simplify but you can't deny it's flexibility.

There's a few more pieces that I think I can figure out while actually messing with the configs.

I really appreciate you explaining all you did it means a lot. Heading out here as my daughter and wife both caught Influenza A. I've been clean so far but we'll see in a few days. It's hard not to catch living under the same roof. Thanks again, good sir! ;)