The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!
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Great... more money I don't have for something I don't need and no one except me will use... yet I cannot resist!!!
THANKS A LOT!!! 😂😂
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@ClassicGMR well the real thing is how far can we push this new board. If it can only improve stuff like mame then dont buy it, but if it does improve dreamcast, and n64 to a decent degree, then buy it when you have the money to do so
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@shadow said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@ClassicGMR well the real thing is how far can we push this new board. If it can only improve stuff like mame then dont buy it, but if it does improve dreamcast, and n64 to a decent degree, then buy it when you have the money to do so
Pfft your logic isn't strong enough to overcome my "SHINY GOTTA HAVE IT" mentality! I spurn you! 😂😂
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@ClassicGMR do what you want (also I will be buying this board because SHINY)
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While I am incredibly excited at this news, I'm also kinda glad they are out of stock at the moment too. I think for our purposes there's no urgent reason to upgrade yet - but it's definitely going to be coming. I imagine as above, some improvement to N64 and Dreamcast, which is about as far as I'd want mine to go anyway. I lost interest in gaming after Sega left us.
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For me it would be great if MAME should improve, Arcade is the moste important Thing for me.
SEGA Titan running fine probably? That would be like XMAS to me :D
But of course Dreamcast would be fine too.However...i am on your side ClassicGMR.
I would even buy it if they only changed the color of the power LED :D :D -
I'm probably going to get the 2GB version to hopefully improve the boxart loading on the pegasus-frontend.
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I will catch the 4GB Version.
It is not that expensive and maybe useful later.btw: whats about that?
•VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x
i am not that techi - is this something that could be important too?
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@sirhenrythe5th I think that they are trying to hide how similar the gpus could be between the 3 and the 4
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Does anyone know what this means for Saturn support now that Yabasanshiro runs quite acceptably on a mid-range Android phone?
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I doubt it will be improved too much.
I have a similar experience with GameCube (Dolphin) on my Android-Phone.
The Games run pretty good (Xperia 5 Premium)!But i guess you cant really compare it to a Pi, better CPU, much better GPU, and of course better supported emulators.
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@hiulit said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x
this is HUGE news I think. it should mean fullspeed and accurate emulation for:
- n64
- dreamcast
- saturn
and better emulators for
- playstation (beetle-hw)
all of these required GLES 3.x for full support. GLES 2.x was always holding pi3 back, for the most part.
i should think the new CPU should allow for full speed current MAME also, but we will see...
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Crazy ! olalala
Im waiting for reports ! ;)) -
@sirhenrythe5th said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
VideoCore VI
It's supposed to have h265 acceleration, but whether that's native or not, I can't see a benchmark for. Handy for, say, media centres. They say both HDMI can be 4K... and I can't see anything about VideoCore VI / Broadcom BCM2711 anywhere except in Pi4 announcements... maybe it's a slight graphics upgrade?
Certainly nothing hugely attractive and ground-breaking. The only thing of interest was the overclocking which should take you beyond what the Pi 3 can manage (according to one article I read), but it doesn't seem humungous.
Hopefully with USB-C the damn connectors won't be changing much again, and we'll be able to buy almost USB-C and it'll have enough oomph to power the Pi 4. I know that USB-C powerbanks are already a thing, so that would be nice.
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@quicksilver says wait for Raspberry Pi 4 to build a handheld. Day later Raspberry Pi 4 drops. You’re a prophet!
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@dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@hiulit said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x
this is HUGE news I think. it should mean fullspeed and accurate emulation for:
- n64
- dreamcast
- saturn
and better emulators for
- playstation (beetle-hw)
all of these required GLES 3.x for full support. GLES 2.x was always holding pi3 back, for the most part.
i should think the new CPU should allow for full speed current MAME also, but we will see...
WOW! that sounds too good to be true! :O
Thanks for info darkcushions. -
Not if the graphics updates are just MESA updates (which they appear they could be according to the github commits). Unless it's accelerated GLES 3.x, then it's just the same hardware trying to do more work.
It provides 3.x "capability", i.e. it can take 3.x GL instructions, but that doesn't mean it's automatically faster than just doing the 2.x equivalent unless it has specific hardware acceleration for it.
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@sirhenrythe5th said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@hiulit said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x
this is HUGE news I think. it should mean fullspeed and accurate emulation for:
- n64
- dreamcast
- saturn
and better emulators for
- playstation (beetle-hw)
all of these required GLES 3.x for full support. GLES 2.x was always holding pi3 back, for the most part.
i should think the new CPU should allow for full speed current MAME also, but we will see...
WOW! that sounds too good to be true! :O
Thanks for info darkcushions.I imagine it would match the Odroid XU4 at least which means saturn should be coming as that needed the 3.x support on the GPU.
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This is great news. It will unlock more possible source ports to build and get them to run on future builds when it comes to the Raspberry Pi 4 thanks to the Open GL ES 3.0 version.
I can imagine that arcade emulation will benefit from this with perhaps a newer Mame version and also possible N64 as well as
the Dreamcast.I will definitely get the 4 gb version at some point later, thinking that 4 gb could be useful in development and it does not cost much more. RetroPie is not ready yet and waiting will get more hardware accessories available for the new RPI 4. If im lucky the Raspberry Pi 4 could also get discounted in some months as well.
This also lets me thinking that i need to find something to use my RPI 3 for.
I'm glad that i did not buy the RPI 3b+ and hold out for the RPI 4.
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@ledow said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
Not if the graphics updates are just MESA updates (which they appear they could be according to the github commits). Unless it's accelerated GLES 3.x, then it's just the same hardware trying to do more work.
It provides 3.x "capability", i.e. it can take 3.x GL instructions, but that doesn't mean it's automatically faster than just doing the 2.x equivalent unless it has specific hardware acceleration for it.
i'm fairly sure it is:
I’ve just pushed a “vc5” branch to my Mesa tree (https://github.com/anholt/mesa/commits/vc5). This is the culmination of a couple of months of work on building a new driver for Broadcom’s V3D 3.3. V3D 3.3 is a GLES3.1 part, though I’m nowhere near conformance yet. This driver is for BCM7268, a set-top-box SOC that boots an upstream Linux kernel. I’m really excited to be working on a modern GLES implementation, and one that has its core platform support upstream already.
but note that this isn't even neccesarily a speed thing - the pi1-3 simply couldn't run GLES 3.x instruction set, which meant it uses slower, less accurate GLES 2.x pathways, or it couldn't run certain 3d emulators at all.
it was never a GPU speed issue. even in n64 games with slowdown, 9/10 the slowdown would be caused by one or both of: nonoptimal GLES2 pathway, very slow system bus. both of these issues should be eliminated with the pi4.
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