The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!

[paffley]

@quicksilver said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

@paffley my micro center listed the pi 4 as being available starting this friday. Checked the listing this morning and they must have started selling them early because they are all sold out now except for the 1 gb model :(

I'm jealous man! Though I suspect getting retropie fully functional on the pi 4 is going to require a lot of work from the devs.

Damn man :( I'm in the UK, got it from the https://thepihut.com/ I got the 2gb as the 4gb is not yet available.

I've not even plugged it in as yet, I'm just gonna hang tight with it till the devs sort something out, happy to wait as i'm a designer/dev myself so I know what the expectance is like haha! All good things come to those who wait! :)

[quicksilver]

There was a community AMA with Eben Upton on the Tom's hardware forums yesterday.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/raspberry-pi-ama-ask-your-questions-now.3492239/

He had this to say about the pi4's GPU, which I thought was pretty exciting:

"FWIW I think gross GFLOP numbers, and the OpenArena benchmarks that have appeared, understate the uplift we've just delivered (largely because VideoCore IV is extremely good at Quake III-type rendering for its age). On modern, compute-heavy benchmarks I think we'll see >4x increase."

[tashman]

The 4gb Pi 4 is back in stock at Pimoroni (UK) if anybody is interested.

[mat]

@tashman Nice, just ordered mine for here in the U.S., came to 68.05 U.S., not bad.

[shavecat]

Im from TelAviv (Israel)
so i guess i will wait a bit... :'\

[simonster]

Hi Guys,

I use a local supplier in Colchester, they have 4GB model bundled with 32GB SD card, HDMI cable and Pi4 PSU for £67.68 delivered.

https://www.rapidonline.com/raspberry-pi-4-model-b-4gb-starter-kit-75-1012

[mick]

@mitu With new hardware often comes new software (so did Raspbian Buster). I feel like this is a very good moment to rethink the user interface and user experience on emulation station. And therefor the "face" of RetroPie.

I am a UI/UX designer and to me it feels very old. Also some of the usability could potentially be improved. Overall i am thinking of an all new design and interface. I made a request on GitHub, if you want to join the discussion (this thread might not be the right place): https://github.com/Aloshi/EmulationStation/issues/801

[thelostsoul]

@mick I didn't know you was going that deep as programming it and was making sure you did not miss the theming options. I don't mind improving the user interface where it is possible.

[sirhenrythe5th]

In the end it is quite usual with the start of a new raspberry pi:
the first weeks stocks are sold out very fast, after a couple of weeks you will get ´em at every corner.
Concidering Retropie i have patience anyway, i could imagine that a real stable version of retropie set up on buster could be available in autumn.
What is absolutly ok regarding all the changes and optimizations that have to be done!

@shavecat shalom we bokär tow chawer scheli! ani alexander ben david be germania :)

[dankcushions]

@mick said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

I am a UI/UX designer and to me it feels very old. Also some of the usability could potentially be improved. Overall i am thinking of an all new design and interface. I made a request on GitHub, if you want to join the discussion (this thread might not be the right place): https://github.com/Aloshi/EmulationStation/issues/801

i'm afraid that github is also not the right place - retropie forked the abandoned aloshi repo several years ago - it's hosted here: https://github.com/retropie/EmulationStation. but also, github isn't the place for open-ended discussions, but more for specific bugs, so i would close your issue and create a thread in the forums.

but generally, are you sure what you want to do can't be achieved by themes within emulationstation? the theme engine is quite powerful. we also support several other front ends (attractmode, Pegasus, mehstation) which have their own abilities and themes. i think the chances of someone creating a brand new front end for your specific idea are remote, so i would instead try and see what existing front end could work with your idea, with/without specific changes.

[FairDinkum]

I'm not the most technically savvy person on the planet but I have a question. I have a build I downloaded and added my own ROMs, theme mods etc to for the Pi 3B+. Will that build still function on the Pi 4 once RetroPie has updated? I'm guessing if RetroPie doesn't run, there's no way to update the program from the Pi software. Will I need to download a fresh version of RetroPie once it's released and manually add all the roms from my old build?

Essentially what I'm asking is if all RetroPie builds/images will be obsolete on a Pi4.

[Barcrest]

@FairDinkum said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

I'm not the most technically savvy person on the planet but I have a question. I have a build I downloaded and added my own ROMs, theme mods etc to for the Pi 3B+. Will that build still function on the Pi 4 once RetroPie has updated? I'm guessing if RetroPie doesn't run, there's no way to update the program from the Pi software. Will I need to download a fresh version of RetroPie once it's released and manually add all the roms from my old build?

Essentially what I'm asking is if all RetroPie builds/images will be obsolete on a Pi4.

There will need to be new builds, the old ones will not work on the 4.

[FairDinkum]

@Barcrest
Yes I was afraid that was the case. Thanks for the reply. :)

[mitu]

@mick Actually, the forum might be the right place for discussions, since the actual users can chime in - this is how many features have been developed. Open a new topic in the Projects and Ideas category.
Also, the Emulationstation version we're using is from github.com/retropie/Emulationstation, the original project is long dormant.

[robertybob]

@mick You could put your skills into practice by improving Mehstation

[quicksilver]

I dont know if anyone noticed but the pi 4 SDRAM frequency is set to 3200mhz. I knew that it was better than previous models, just didnt realize how much better. I also saw on the RPI config.txt documentation page that by enabling 4k video mode, the GPU's clock speed will auto increase to 600 mhz, so there is definitely some overclocking potential here if 600mhz is considered stable as a factory setting.

Im picking up my 4b 2gb tomorrow and hope to start playing with it this weekend. Fun times!

[thelostsoul]

@quicksilver It's insane (in positive sense) that they actually use DDR4. The previous version used DDR2 and I was expecting 3 for cost reasons. Even my current day to day and gaming machine uses DDR3 with 1600mhz.

[mick]

Maybe it is possible by use of the existing theme engine. Does it support 4k, too? Anyway it might lead into a new default theme.

[mitu]

@mick said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

Does it support 4k, too?

Emulationstation is not limited to a certain resolution, but I think themes are designed with assets and layouts for a 1080p resolution, that's why they might look awkward on 4k. If you want to take a look, you can grab a Windows version from here and a pre-configured portable install from here - which has some systems and scraped info already, along with some fake roms.

[mick]

Made a new discussion here: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/22709/all-new-emulation-station-ui

Sorry for off topic :) Super hyped for the Pi4!