Pi in a Gameboy Advance Build - WIP

thedudester80 · 3 Nov 2016, 22:03

@obsidianspider You could use a composite display. That way the GPIO is open and the I2S is available.

obsidianspider · 3 Nov 2016, 22:08

This ABXY thing is kicking my butt. With that trigger button where it is, there's no good way to put X and Y buttons on top of the existing B and A holes.

I'm thinking way outside the box here, but the New 3DS has ABXY , and you can get replacement buttons for ~$9. Not super cheap, but they're the colors I want and would be cheaper than buying a bunch of gameboy pocket buttons that wouldn't all fit anyway. And…

They're smaller.

Using some overall dimensions I saw online and doing some guesswork, it looks like the ABXY cross is ~24.5mm across. I don't have a New 3DS, but I might be able to go measure one at a store display since they are still the current model.

So what if I drill a 1" (25.4mm) hole in the front of the Gameboy, then 3D print a button panel to fit that hole. Kind of like how there's a circle on the face of a Super Nintendo controller…

It'd kind of look like this…

This assumes the ABXY buttons are the size I think they are.

I have a feeling I'm not going to be able to pull this off. :-/

moosepr · 3 Nov 2016, 22:43

@obsidianspider you could glue in the insert, fill the gaps with a filler of your choice, sand it smooth then give the whole thing a coat of paint.

That's how things like this are born http://modretro.com/xen/index.php?threads/gamecube-portable-the-varia-cube.15084/

moosepr · 3 Nov 2016, 22:46

@obsidianspider actually this one is exactly what you were planning http://modretro.com/xen/index.php?threads/game-gear-x-brasil.15052/

I did ponder the same with an old broken nds for the buttons. Even got a red one so the red buttons would look good against the white GBA

obsidianspider · 3 Nov 2016, 23:45

@moosepr I just fell into a frankencasing rabbit hole. This looks pretty doable. I just don't know how I'm going to blend the textures together…

obsidianspider · 4 Nov 2016, 03:06

I decided to buy a broken DS Lite from eBay for $7 to see if/what I can do with the buttons, pads, and case. Should be here next week.

moosepr · 4 Nov 2016, 06:27

@obsidianspider I did also fall into a googling frenzy for the second time. I always have these ideas, then research the hell out of them, then never find the time to actually finish (or in this case, even start them!)

This guide seems helpful http://bitfixgaming.boards.net/thread/138/frankencasing-controller-parts-case

obsidianspider · 4 Nov 2016, 15:41

I decided to try out the "use GPIO as a controller" thing today and I used test leads to make my "buttons"

Then I connected them up to the GPIO using the pin numbers from the Adafruit PiGRRL 2 Default Controls. I may change this to tidy things up in the case, but this was just a test.

I then installed the retrogame software and configured it by commenting out the buttons in the config file I wouldn't be using.

When I rebooted the Pi to try to configure things my screen started acting wavy and I thought that there was an issue with conflicting pins, but it turned out that my very quick mockup had some screen wires touching each other and that was causing the disruption.

Mapping the buttons was just like any other controller in EmulationStation and things seem to work fine.

If you're finding the MAME ROW too easy, you can try this new controller out. ;)

moosepr · 4 Nov 2016, 20:25

@obsidianspider thats one less usb required ;)

obsidianspider · 5 Nov 2016, 00:26

@moosepr said in Pi in a Gameboy Advance Build:

@obsidianspider thats one less usb required ;)

Haha, yeah, 13 wires to replace 4…

At some point I still have to figure out the power situation to see if I have enough GPIO pins available.

cyperghost · 5 Nov 2016, 06:28

@obsidianspider Can you please provide a better resolution of your latest photo?

As you don't use the Key buttons of your screen GPIOs are set free
Can you recheck your wiring with this picture by adafruit please?

or can you recheck if you have GPIO 18, 40 or 45 free? These pins can provide PWM sound! I think you don't need a USB hub :)

moosepr · 5 Nov 2016, 12:04

@obsidianspider there are ways to reduce the number of pins your using http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/14035/8x8-matrix-of-buttons but it does mean you will need different software to scan the rows and columns to figure out what is pressed

obsidianspider · 5 Nov 2016, 23:29

@cyperghost Sorry for the delay, I was helping to run Bacon Fest all day today, and I'll be back tomorrow.

That's ~1/5 of the festival area. A few people showed up. ;)

This is my current GPIO setup (I have been writing it on a diagram as I go through wiring it up on my Pi 2 test machine)

I know you REALLY want me to use that I2S amp, but from what I can see, it's mono, and I want stereo sound to the headphone jack, so I don't know that it would work for me, plus I'm already running out of GPIO pins, and I still need some for my power switch once I figure that out. Even my Mausberry needed at least two when I did that on my Super Famicom.

Semi-related: I got Pi-related mail today.

Can you guess what was in the box and what was in the padded envelope?

If you guessed that the box was for the 24mm Adafruit amp and that the padded envelope was for the Pi 3, you'd be right. Haha. I will never understand shipping decisions. For what it's worth, they were ordered from the same company. The Pi 3 was a free giveaway by Arrow this past week. Now I have to make something cool with that too…

obsidianspider · 5 Nov 2016, 23:43

@moosepr I'm not sure I need to go the multiplexing route, but if I run out of pins, I'll keep it in mind. I haven't really researched how to do that at all and my brain is fried from doing volunteer work for 12 hours, and I'm doing more tomorrow.

moosepr · 5 Nov 2016, 23:45

@obsidianspider fried! Bacon! I'm intrigued, was it a massive festival devoted to bacon?

obsidianspider · 5 Nov 2016, 23:49

@moosepr Haha, I totally missed the "fried" and "bacon" reference. I guess it depends on how you define "massive." They're expecting ~75,000 people to attend this year's Bacon Fest

moosepr · 5 Nov 2016, 23:54

@obsidianspider awesome! The best we get here is beer festivals! I would love to go to a bacon festival!

cyperghost · 6 Nov 2016, 04:32

I know you REALLY want me to use that I2S amp, but from what I can see, it's mono, and I want stereo sound to the headphone jack, so I don't know that it would work for

No I want to save you from using a USB HUB ;)
I see 2 issues:

the single OTG USB provides 500mA output - if you use a HUB (passive) then every connector provides just 100mA
space in your housing ;)

I don't know if you want a real handheld console. If yes you need space for batteries, charging balancers and switches.

I never said "I2S is the best f*ck the rest" - as related to my build I recommended sound via HDMI or USB sound card. But in my build there was no additional space for an extra Hub. So I tried PWM sound that didn't satisfy me and then switched to I2S which was my last resort and I benefit from a devices that mixed left+right audio channel into mono speaker. I never demanded sound via headphones, so your solution seems best and you can argue with "real stereo".

Thank you very much for your diagramms. I also learn a lot of your builds and ideas. Have fun on your party.

obsidianspider · 6 Nov 2016, 09:36

@cyperghost I don't claim to know what I'm doing or how I'm going to get there, but my idea for sound was initially inspired by the NeoPiGamer. They didn't use a hub, but the lack of wifi is something I found really annoying when tweaking my Zero. Maybe once it's set up it won't be bad, but initially it was rough.

I'm not going to use the OTG connector for power, I'll be tapping right into the 5V power source that's feeding the Pi, so I won't be limited by the port. What the hub can handle outputting is another matter, but the one I picked up seems to work with wifi, a keyboard, a controller, and a USB sound card, simultaneously. I know I can do the controller via GPIO now, and I'm glad I tried it. I was intimidated by it before and now I see it wasn't bad at all.

Your I2S-ing has inspired me to look into building a Shairport Pi with an optical audio out. AirPlay to my home theater has been on my "to do" list for a while but I didn't want to buy an AirPort Express. A Pi solution will probably end up being more expensive, but I'll learn something and, knowing me, I'll find some way to incorporate a little scree into it.

I'm not sure how I'll do the hub yet either. I wish that one I bought initially wasn't a piece of junk as the board was a small square, not a spread out rectangle, but I think I might be able to fit it in the bottom of the case once I desolder the connectors.

cyperghost · 6 Nov 2016, 10:17

@obsidianspider said in Pi in a Gameboy Advance Build:

... lack of wifi is something I found really annoying when tweaking my Zero. Maybe once it's set up it won't be bad, but initially it was rough.

Yes the missing build in WIFI of the Zero hurts bad. But for my own I use the WIFI just with a external hub for loading ROMs on it or to tweak the system. So a generell network link isn't needed. Of course a permanent solution is better :)

handle outputting is another matter, but the one I picked up seems to work with wifi, a keyboard, a controller, and a USB sound card, simultaneously.

That should work :) I used the same setup for testing purposes but there was rare space in my Pie housing. max height of each componet ist just 9mm ... enough for a USB-A connector :)

Your I2S-ing has inspired me to look into building a Shairport Pi with an optical audio out.

I think it's not a matter what is really the best. That depends strong on personal view point. About the sound topic - I made the experience that most people (even those on adafruit) were really satisfied with the PWM sound ... in the adafruit forum only one guy wrote, that the static sound, generated by the Pie, get him on his nervs. He was satisfied with the ingame sound, too - but if there is silende (because you are in the ES main menu or gamelist menu) you always hear pops and hisses ... So he builds a "mute function" via GPIO :)

I used I2S instead. But even this isn't perfect you always hear a "POP" if the amp gets activated. But it's nothing compared to PWM soundoutput.

To come to end ... take the time to experiment with different solutions and then select the best fittings.

I'm not sure how I'll do the hub yet either. I wish that one I bought initially wasn't a piece of junk as the board was a small square, not a spread out rectangle, but I think I might be able to fit it in the bottom of the case once I desolder the connectors.

For gods sake, desolder the connectors they need space :)

It is a real pleasure to see the energy, the ideas and the creativity in the development in all these builds ... mockups ... projects ... whatever they named :)
It doesn't matter if these were created from @adamspc @obsidianspider @Tekkaman_Slade @UDb23 @Thak @Zigurana @thedudester80 @monstermadeofman @stahl80 @raygan and all I've forgot.... All did do a great job: There was an idea, there is fun - let's build a case for emulation with the Pie

Btw: English is not my native language so please ask if I expressed something unclear, okay?