Background images, coming back!!!

UDb23 · 2 Nov 2016, 20:21

@tronkyfran Impressive model; looks great, thanks!!
Yes, Commodore logo was white.
If I may suggest some fine tuning (and if you have time for it): vic20 logo perspective in the first image looks a bit strange but maybe it's just an impression; original function buttons' color was slightly lighter (almost sort of orange).

tronkyfran · 6 Nov 2016, 22:11

Still working on the vic20, but I had this done long time ago. Didnt posted because emulation is far far away for this console, but hey, you never know....

tronkyfran · 10 Nov 2016, 17:12

Delaying some other images, I just wanted to make some controllers!!

tronkyfran · 11 Nov 2016, 10:21

snes controller

herb_fargus · 11 Nov 2016, 14:25

@tronkyfran you know that now you started rendering the controllers you'll have to do all of those too ;) they look great!

buddyscott · 11 Nov 2016, 14:44

@tronkyfran I never realized how clean the snes controller looks without the "ABXY" letters near the buttons. Nice job with these images. Hope to see more!

tronkyfran · 11 Nov 2016, 20:06

I think Ill do just the most used systems, if I do EVERY controller I will be years with this!!!
Glad you liked it :D

tronkyfran · 14 Nov 2016, 21:13

Sorry, I just cant help jumping from one thing to another :O

tronkyfran · 14 Nov 2016, 21:15

Maybe we could use this controller images as runcommand images a lo Rookervik, just saying...

herb_fargus · 15 Nov 2016, 03:30

@tronkyfran sounds brilliant to me. They can also be alternates for the main backgrounds if people are so inclined

tronkyfran · 15 Nov 2016, 12:16

Steam controller:

bite_your_idols · 16 Nov 2016, 22:33

@tronkyfran what about european users and our multi-colour snes buttons? XD
excellent work!!!!

tronkyfran · 16 Nov 2016, 22:57

You are right, and being european myself Its unforgivable! I need to dedo the supernintendo one at least!

robertybob · 19 Nov 2016, 17:41

@tronkyfran

Have you seen RetroEngine on Facebook? Looks like someone's going to try to KS some kind of hardware running Emulationstation with this theme.

herb_fargus · 19 Nov 2016, 18:17

@robertybob yet another "genius entrepreneur" selling things that are meant to be free. kill one, three more take its place. neverending. Its pretty low to be taking @tronkyfrans work and selling it. Problem is facebook and kickstarter care more about money than ethics and taking things down is nigh to impossible. at the very least we can educate the morons who will throw money at it on how to make their own for much less money. no doubt the nes classic shortage is doing nothing to help the predicament.

tronkyfran · 20 Nov 2016, 12:40

In fact, I gave them permission to use the images. I tell you why, I think I owe somewhat an explanation:
-First, they asked for it, they were polite, and at first it looked like a little business, so, looking at the retro world de are living, I thought it would be ok to allow some use.
-They are supposed to give credit(we'll see that).

I didnt know they would use RetroPie or/and emulatiostation. If thats the case I hope they will vive enough credit AND links.
I reserved the right to ask for the removal of the images any time, and if they dont give enough credit to this project(RetroPie), be sure that Ill use that right.

-They could have usted the images anyway, I found some projects that already do that(sigh), and really, what could I do? Hire lawyers? Waste money and energy in a hobby that its supposed to give satisfaction? I wont do that and they know, so at least de can hace some visibility.
-They "suggested" some future paíd work for me un the future. I know, I know.

Maybe Im being naive, but Id like to live in a world where I can help someone to make a living with a hobby.
A different thing is RetroPie as a project, much more effort is going into it and deserves to get something more than getting used(and well ser if abused) whithout compensación un any way. I think its ilegal,too.
Again sorry for my poor english, I dont know if I explain myself properly.

tronkyfran · 20 Nov 2016, 14:35

Anyway, Im getting ready some things for an upcoming new theme that would leave this one pretty obsolete, stay tuned

dankcushions · 20 Nov 2016, 16:01

@tronkyfran said in Background images, coming back!!!:

I didnt know they would use RetroPie or/and emulatiostation. If thats the case I hope they will vive enough credit AND links.

that wouldn't be enough. it's illegal to do it. i'm also doubtful that they will only have emulators on that have a commercial license, as a lot of them do not. reading their facebook page i don't think they really know what they're doing.

herb_fargus · 1 Feb 2017, 21:39

@tronkyfran

As you are the creative genius and you are within your rights to utilise the content you create in any way you deem necessary.

Here are my concerns:

I got into retropie/retrogaming primarily for nostalgia/archiving. It's amazing to me that I can play all my childhood games on a tiny little box.

I support the open source community because it is all about everyone coming together to make something amazing and because of that everyone has free access to what we make together.

Yet, it seems every day there is a new person packaging the work of the community just so they can make a quick buck on something that is supposed to be free.

As far as GPL code goes there are no restrictions on commercial use, however a good portion of emulators, emulationstation themes, and the retropie image all come with non commercial clauses in their licenses which forbid commercial use.

The problem with all these so called entrepreneurs is they take the work of the community, make changes to the code and close source it so nobody else has access to any improvements they may have made so the community loses out on those developments. It's a low thing to do and really kills the motivation for the people who really do the work on these projects and as you mentioned nobody in the open source community has lawyers or the money to enforce the licences.

So where does that leave us?

I'll give you some examples.

Mini emu: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sumbodesign/mini-emu-all-in-one-retro-game-console-raspberry-p

Made 80,000 Euros off our/retroarch's work. Money that could have been used for development. All he did was repackage a pi in a crappy case and doubled the price. As you can see from the comments, all his customers realised they were swindled as he laughed his way to the bank.

Nostalgames: which had raised 30,000 euros before they were successfully shut down for violating licences

And seems every day there is a new one that the retroarch team has to deal with.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sp8drl

In the end we can't enforce it, and it sucks. But it's people like that ruin open source because they care more about their own greed than the collective intelligence of society.

tronkyfran · 20 Nov 2016, 18:29

Well, Ive been thinking a lot about what you both wrote and sadly, you re absolutely right.
I suppose I had to think in avance in this subject when I said yes to their request, but I didnt.
I will speak to them and if their answer is not absolutely convincing (and after what I saw, thats going to be hard to believe) about not using RetroPie/libretro /emulationstation they wont have the right to show the artwork anymore. It maybe looks like if I had wishful thinking(can I say this?), and surely it is that way. I know that there are a lot of people getting projects ripped all the time but ,fuck, I refuse to be paranoid till people show me how bad they are.

So,personally, knowing ugly things that I didnt before, now Im sad, but even more commited to make better artwork for this community.