Windows 95!

FlyingTomahawk · 27 Mar 2017, 00:44

LMFAO... awesome picture.
People usually thrive for better, newer technology. Only in this forum here I see the exact opposite. People going backwards, trying to run old software on their original, old hardware.
I can understand the feeling of nostalgia and the memories connected to it but hell I wouldn't wanna play Monkey Island on an Amiga again (11 Floppy discs! ). I never liked that part of disc swapping and I could not afford 11 external floppy drives like my best friend at that time. So I am very happy that ScummVM took care of all this issues on a Windows 7 based system.

Well, I guess as long you skip Windows Millennium and Windows Vista you're good.

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 00:53

@tyreal90 have you tried installing the s3 video drivers? They are supported by dosbox. I have them installed on it for quite a few dos games that require it. I also had to install them for windows 3.11

tyreal90 · 27 Mar 2017, 11:09

quick edit: thank you edmaul69... that worked perfectly!

ok guys... so I've installed the s3 drivers from the site below

http://www.sierrahelp.com/Utilities/Emulators/DOSBox/3x_InstallGraphicsDrivers.html

and it seems to work for a basic VGA card and it aligns with the graphics that our dosbox emulates

the good news: windows 3.1 games and dos games work well from the environment

the bad news: direct x just doesn't like this card so the cool stuff (star craft, diablo)
appear not to be working

so far I've gotten a couple of games to work, a few games have not worked.

Magic the gathering:shandalar works.
Castle of the winds (classic 3.1) works just fine
Syndicate wars: - works
Incredible toon machine - works!
Star craft: chokes on the video driver (says it won't resize screen) (works on dosbox daum build on PC)
Total annihilation: wants direct x to be updated (works on dosbox daum build on PC)
doom95 - says screen can't be configured (again looking at the S3 limitations) (works on dosbox daum build on PC)
dungeonkeeper: won't boot properly
EV Nova - says it needs quicktime but I'm hopeful after install I can get this to work. (update - doesn't work)
MechCommander - doesn't work on pi but works on PC dosbox daum build

I think our next step is to ask that the dosbox daum build (which can simulate voodoo graphics and PCI express bus) be recompiled in ARM as an experimental package. We will need these things to unlock the additional games of the late 90's. I believe that the raspberry pi is capable of this based on my experience over the last few days with 95.

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 17:39

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edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 17:51

@tyreal90 i assume you installed the trio 64 drivers? Also i would try the s3 savage drivers, s3 virge drivers or trio 3d drivers. Not sure if those ones work or not.

tyreal90 · 27 Mar 2017, 18:21

Hey Edmaul69,

I had to install base drivers for the S3 (link in above post) because the Trio drivers that I had weren't being recognized by Win95 and when I loaded into the operating system it would force into 16 color, 640X480 which ruined the directx games. Do you have a link for the s3 virge or s3 savage drivers? The daum version of dosbox can hardrun a graphics bios but I found that the command is not recognized by the raspberry pi version. When this is done I'm going to post a play by play so that future win95ers don't have to struggle as much. Thank you for the help good sir!

tyreal90 · 27 Mar 2017, 18:25

@itsnitro

You cannot emulate XP on the pi because it is no longer a system based on msdos. The last operating system that can successfully be installed with dosbox is win98. Still, many games that you played on xp actually have win95 compatibility.

tyreal90 · 27 Mar 2017, 18:27

@mattrixk
Oh if I had it running I'd be calling into work sick by now hahaha I just have it at the cusp of running but the operating system boots and is mostly stable.

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 18:39

here is a link for the s3 graphics drivers. would love to hear which ones you get working. from everything i read on several threads the trio64 drivers were supposed to work. i havent installed windows 95 yet to test.

http://www.s3graphics.com/en/drivers/legacy_software_archive.aspxtyreal90

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 18:41

nevermind. links started working

hooperre · 27 Mar 2017, 18:53

I've been working on this a bit myself, not physically yet, just kind of compiling what I think I'll need for it. If I can point you in the direction of some guys/gals who may be able to help...

http://www.vogons.org/viewforum.php?f=33 -- Guessing you've found the DosBox forums already as that guide looks vaguely familiar.

If you PM the user dada, he is currently compiling a new Win95 DosBox guide as I have contacted him a couple times. I think he may be able to provide assistance.

The user Jorpho I would guess invented DosBox. Only reason I say so is that he/she responds to everything that is posted.

I think I read something that said Win95 isn't officially supported by DosBox though, so not sure how much help they would offer.

Cheers. I'll be keeping up and offering any help I can!

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 19:05

@tyreal90 i already have the trio 64v drivers running in windows 3.11 . i am testing other drivers now

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 19:21

@tyreal90 I also forgot. to install drivers you might have to exit windows to dos and in the windows directory type setup

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 19:32

trio 3d drivers work on windows 3.11. i dont have windows 95 to test savage3d. Virge/trio 3d was the first 3d accelerator so it might work for some of your games. trio 3d is the newest version of virge

tyreal90 · 27 Mar 2017, 19:46

@edmaul69

Excellent. I will try these when I get off of work today at 6:30pm MST.

Will update with results tonight! and thank you again for the help!

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 19:54

@tyreal90 no problem. I am hopeful for some of the better 3d games to work on windows 95. I have a ton of games on cd i want to try to get working. Now that you have posted another way to get win95 setup i am going to have to try to install it.

edmaul69 · 27 Mar 2017, 23:58

I tried the trio 3d/2x driver and that did not work on win 3.11 😞 So it looks like on the s3 drivers site trio 3d (365drv) is the newest driver i can get to work on win 3.11. I would try savage 3d (380drv), trio 3d/2x (362drv), pro savage (370drv) and virge/dx-gx (375drv) drivers and see if you can get any of those working.

tyreal90 · 28 Mar 2017, 00:28

@edmaul69 said in Windows 95!:

(365drv) is the newest driver i can

alright will do. The website keeps coming in and out of being available. I am trying to nab all the drivers as once.

edmaul69 · 28 Mar 2017, 00:43

@tyreal90 it always fails the first time. Back out and try again and it works.

tyreal90 · 28 Mar 2017, 01:28

ok more bad news. All of those drivers flew past the win95. It didn't recognize any of them. How do I install from MS-Dos? I'm also going to see if I can resurrect a PCI bus emulator off the dosbox config file.