FBA vs. MAME
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What do you guys think about adding the Neogeo set under FBA?
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@johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.
Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.
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@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:
@johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.
Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.
I think this is close to all of them (bios file removed from list):
2020bb.zip
3countb.zip
alpham2.zip
androdun.zip
aodk.zip
aof.zip
aof2.zip
aof3.zip
bangbead.zip
bjourney.zip
blazstar.zip
breakrev.zip
bstars.zip
bstars2.zip
burningf.zip
crsword.zip
ctomaday.zip
cyberlip.zip
doubledr.zip
eightman.zip
fatfursp.zip
fatfury1.zip
fatfury2.zip
fatfury3.zip
fbfrenzy.zip
fightfev.zip
flipshot.zip
galaxyfg.zip
ganryu.zip
garou.zip
ghostlop.zip
goalx3.zip
gowcaizr.zip
gpilots.zip
gururin.zip
irrmaze.zip
joyjoy.zip
kabukikl.zip
karnovr.zip
kizuna.zip
kof2000.zip
kof2001.zip
kof2002.zip
kof2003.zip
kof94.zip
kof95.zip
kof96.zip
kof97.zip
kof98.zip
kof99.zip
kotm.zip
kotm2.zip
lastblad.zip
lastbld2.zip
lbowling.zip
legendos.zip
lresort.zip
magdrop2.zip
magdrop3.zip
maglord.zip
matrim.zip
miexchng.zip
mslug.zip
mslug2.zip
mslug3.zip
mslug4.zip
mslug5.zip
mslugx.zip
mutnat.zip
nam1975.zip
ncombat.zip
ncommand.zip
neobombe.zip
neocup98.zip
neodrift.zip
neomrdo.zip
ninjamas.zip
nitd.zip
overtop.zip
panicbom.zip
pbobbl2n.zip
pbobblen.zip
pgoal.zip
pnyaa.zip
popbounc.zip
preisle2.zip
pspikes2.zip
pulstar.zip
puzzledp.zip
rbff1.zip
rbff2.zip
rbffspec.zip
ridhero.zip
roboarmy.zip
rotd.zip
s1945p.zip
samsh5sp.zip
samsho.zip
samsho2.zip
samsho3.zip
samsho4.zip
samsho5.zip
savagere.zip
sdodgeb.zip
sengoku.zip
sengoku2.zip
sengoku3.zip
shocktr2.zip
shocktro.zip
socbrawl.zip
sonicwi2.zip
sonicwi3.zip
spinmast.zip
ssideki.zip
ssideki2.zip
ssideki3.zip
ssideki4.zip
stakwin.zip
stakwin2.zip
strhoop.zip
superspy.zip
tophuntr.zip
tpgolf.zip
turfmast.zip
twinspri.zip
tws96.zip
viewpoin.zip
wakuwak7.zip
wh1.zip
wh2.zip
wh2j.zip
whp.zip
wjammers.zip
zedblade.zip
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If anyone wants a shortcut to all of this, here is a link to my emulators.cfg. If you see anything wrong, let me know.
2278 games total
43 advmame
1613 lr-fbalpha
640 lr-mame2003
2 lr-mame2010John
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@andershp You mention "sound glitches" in rtype and gyruss, could you be a little more precise ? Also, those glitches happen with any sound setting (samplerate, sample interpolation & fm interpolation) in the core options ?
Those games should run flawlessly considering their cpu usage, so perhaps there is some glitch which needs to be reported to the fbalpha team. -
I'm not sure if anyone is keeping a definitive list but in addition - footchmp.zip, euroch92.zip and hattrick.zip all have poor sound in the intros and for the in game "voice over" in lr-fbalpha. No issues in lr-mame2003/2010 and mame4all (Rpi 3 stock settings). It may improve with tweaks but it's better to choose an emulator that works right away.
Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?
Also a massive thanks to everyone involved in putting all this together. It has kept me busy this weekend!
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@tashman said in FBA vs. MAME:
Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?
If this is bad enough to make people choose another emulator, i think it is.
Btw, hattrick can't have poor sound in fba since it is not emulated at all. -
@barbudreadmon to be honest I made the assumption about hattrick as it's the same game.
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@AndersHP @tashman So i tried rtype, footchmp, euroch92 and gyruss in mame2003, and while i didn't notice the "poor sound" or "sound glitches" you mentioned for the first 3, there is definitely something off with fbalpha's gyruss sound, so i bumped an old topic about gyruss sound upstream : http://neo-source.com/index.php?topic=2490.0
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@AndersHP The difference between mame and fbalpha for gyruss is only the balance, i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.
PS : i still don't know what are your sound glitches in rtype.
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Sorry for being so passive here, I will check these out ASAP.
As for Gyruss, it's the spawning sound that's off in fba. Very fuzzy. It's much better and sharper sounding in MAME2003.Rtype I had actual soundglitches in, but will test again soon.
@barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:
i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.
How do I get this? Just update my lr-fbalpha emulator? Or are we talking new romsets?
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@andershp just update from sources
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@andershp So, how did it turn out ? I think it's better than before, not sure it will be to your liking though, keep in mind that :
- this is the favorite game of dink (the fba upstream developper who provided me this patch), so his main objective was to match his own likings.
- the sound and balance for this game in mame2003 weren't considered perfect, and had several patches since then, i don't know how the current ones sound.
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@barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:
@andershp So, how did it turn out ?
Updating from source now. Will test tonight, given that my little son allows this :)
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Alright, with the risk of being called pedantic, here goes:
I tried rtype.zip and gyruss.zip (haven't tested other versions of these games) with the newest Final Burn Alpha from source (0.2.97.42) and compared them to MAME2003 (0.78).
R-Type:
I still notice very small soundglitches, it's like running the game in windows while something happens in the background, making a very small hiccup. I tried filming it, see this video, exactly as the timer skips to 3 seconds into the video:
These glitches happened some 5 times at different places in the first stage that I tested, and did not happen in MAME2003.Gyruss:
I can appreciate the balance adjustments, it's like the sound is centered better in FBA than MAME2003, but I really think the spawning sound is very fuzzy, which was my only problem with the FBA version to begin with. The spawning sounds like it has a cold.... HAHA! I know it doesn't make sense, but it kind of ruins it for me :D
Listen here, in the very beginning of the video when the ship spawns: (truly sorry for the ambient tv-sound, please try to ignore this)
I also made videos of the music in level 2, just for comparison:
As an old drummer, I cannot help to notice that FBA runs a little fewer beats per second, do you hear it also? The music in MAME2003 sounds like it's just a tad faster, especially noticeable on level 2. Not much though.
Damn, this game is just awesome. Hard to play with one hand only though. :)
Another difference is the difficulty - much harder on FBA, notice especially level 1, with almost no enemy fire on MAME compared to quite a lot of shooting on FBA. -
I think some games fell through the cracks. For example, I noticed Chiller is missing for some reason.
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@supermagicom don't know this game. Is it best run on mame or fba?
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@andershp while i hear the rtype sound glitch in your video (and it's exactly as you describe : feels like something is suddenly happening in the background), i tried to reproduce it myself without success : i just finished the game with the invincibility dipswitch on so that i could pay attention only to the sound (even closed my eyes when there was no boss to fight), i didn't notice a similar hiccup once, i can also say that the game didn't seem to go above 71% cpu usage on my rpi3, even in stage 5 when there are slowdowns (they are probably from the original hardware, i guess they'll disappear if you use the "CPU overclock" core option).
A setup issue is extremely likely, it makes me think about this post where the OP has "jumpy scrolling" when retroarch's video threading is set to on (which is the default setting in retropie, doesn't cause issue with his other emulators including lr-mame2003, and doesn't cause issue with lr-fbalpha for other users including me).
I'll take another look at gyruss later this week-end.
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@barbudreadmon
Threaded video = off didn't help unfortunately...
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