Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released

lilbud

I'm going to skip this one. I see no real point in buying one. I've been using my custom PC more for emulation instead of using the pi. So until they release a pi that can run N64 and other later systems at full speed, I'll hold out.

SgtJimmyRustles

@lilbud said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

I'm going to skip this one. I see no real point in buying one. I've been using my custom PC more for emulation instead of using the pi. So until they release a pi that can run N64 and other later systems at full speed, I'll hold out.

That, or if one of your pi's dies.

spruce_m00se

I will get one for a new build, but i doubt its worth upgrading to.

I guess kodi may run better on it. (ooooh KODI, watch out for the KODI police)

I too have been using other hardware recently for higher end systems, I find the wii to be cheaper than a pi and great with all nintendo systems up to, well...... the WII.

herb_fargus

I bought it. But then again I have a horrible pi addiction. I need help.

tiagop

Can someone test demanding games to see if it's worth it? For example PSX games with high resolution, N64, Dosbox..

lilbud

@spruce_m00se said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

I too have been using other hardware recently for higher end systems, I find the wii to be cheaper than a pi and great with all nintendo systems up to, well...... the WII.

I like using the Wii more than the pi for emulation. It can handle much more. But I also like using my computer because I can run almost everything with no slowdown. But I still use the pi for when I want to play on a big tv instead of a monitor.

SgtJimmyRustles

@herb_fargus said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

I bought it. But then again I have a horrible pi addiction. I need help.

Pitervention is required.

lilbud

@tiagop Its only a 0.2 Mhz bump in clock speed. Don't get your hopes up for improved emulation. You'd have to wait for a Pi 4 if you want a significant bump.

BuZz

@lilbud 200Mhz :-) or 0.2Ghz

tiagop

@lilbud Oh yeah, my bad. I thought the RPI3 had 1.0 GHz instead of 1.2 GHz!

tashman

@herb_fargus

Me too. This morning's order will bump me up to 11 pii.

Sensi

Will the Pi3 b+ work with retropie 4.3 or will there need to be support added?

dsstrainer

@herb_fargus I'll join you are RPi Anonymous :)

fabio78

This one is all about overclock. 1.4Ghz is what most base Pi3s are able to achieve whilst remaining stable. Considering the new model’s base speed is already 1.4, it should hit 1.6 comfortably, perhaps even 1.8 taking into account the better “thermal management” and the use of a heat sink+fan little combo. On these terms it’s actually a rather decent upgrade over the base model with stock clock.

PiBoy

@fabio78 said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

This one is all about overclock. 1.4Ghz is what most base Pi3s are able to achieve whilst remaining stable. Considering the new model’s base speed is already 1.4, it should hit 1.6 comfortably, perhaps even 1.8 taking into account the better “thermal management” and the use of a heat sink+fan little combo. On these terms it’s actually a rather decent upgrade over the base model with stock clock.

I am not so convinced of that. The original RPi 3 is underclocked for the sake of overheating. The clockspeed on the 3 B+ is now at the original speed for the CPU, 1.4 GHz, and features a heat spreader to mitigate overheating. According to the RPi's site, above 70°C it will throttle down to 1.2 GHz, and above 80°C it will throttle even lower, just like the original RPi 3. There does not appear to be any indication there is a higher overclock potential, considering you will still need a heatsink/fan combo anyway when overclocking. People who overclock the current RPi 3 still hit somewhere between 1.4-1.6 GHz, with a fan. That speed increase doesn't make a big difference in terms of emulator support, in case you were wondering. N64 is still not tenable.

Riverstorm

It looks to have a real IHS on the CPU. Metal on metal cooling. If the emulation is CPU heavy overclocking the GPU probably won't gain much but a GPU heavy game might benefit a little from overclocking the ARM and both may potentially benefit slightly from RAM overclocking.

MSP430

Damn, I have a Pi1B and a Pi0, convinced myself that a Pi3B would only bring PSX from playable to nice and N64 from not playable to sometimes playable. Expected Pi4B in February 2019.

Now I am quite tempted ...

fabio78

@piboy said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

@fabio78 said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

This one is all about overclock. 1.4Ghz is what most base Pi3s are able to achieve whilst remaining stable. Considering the new model’s base speed is already 1.4, it should hit 1.6 comfortably, perhaps even 1.8 taking into account the better “thermal management” and the use of a heat sink+fan little combo. On these terms it’s actually a rather decent upgrade over the base model with stock clock.

The original RPi 3 is underclocked for the sake of overheating. The clockspeed on the 3 B+ is now at the original speed for the CPU, 1.4 GHz

I did't know that. Bummer...

Riverstorm

@fabio78 said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

The original RPi 3 is underclocked for the sake of overheating. The clockspeed on the 3 B+ is now at the original speed for the CPU, 1.4 GHz

I was reading an article about the improvement in "manufacturing" techniques allowed the Zero to be released stable at 1GHz where as the same chip 4 years prior on the Pi 1 was only stable at 700MHz.

Maybe in the past 2 years they were able to do the same between the 3 and + and get it stable at it's full potential. Which means less overclock room. I imagine vcore specs are basically the same. Which adds speed which in turn adds heat.

paravox

@piboy said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:

@fabio78 said in Raspberry Pi 3 B+ released:
People who overclock the current RPi 3 still hit somewhere between 1.4-1.6 GHz, with a fan. That speed increase doesn't make a big difference in terms of emulator support, in case you were wondering. N64 is still not tenable.

I wish I could get my 3 over 1.4. Anything past 1.35 ghz spits out memory errors during cpuburn. Even so N64 emulation seems to have bigger problems than simply throwing enough raw power at it.