mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

grant2258

@Riverstorm i added the button labels to retropie this is how it should look. I do hope retroipe add the button labels when you set your controller up

robertvb83

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

not true

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is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

this is exhausting because it is EXACTLY what i said, read my post again

this is why i do not see any benefit of
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when it comes to 6 button games because you still need to change it for 6 button games

grant2258

@robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

not true

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is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

this is exhausting because it is EXACTLY what i said, read my post again

this is why i do not see any benefit of
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when it comes to 6 button games because you still need to change it for 6 button games

yea and thats the only games you have to change sf2 :). I personally just live with the kicks and punches swapped. There has been a lot of talk on the mame forums that these buttons should be swapped at driver level. If we had both maps all we would need to do is switch between the two. no more setup required for generic games.

Well mk has 5 buttons thats a hard one to get right without a

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layout

robertvb83

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

I personally just live with the kicks and punches swapped.

wow i had no idea how crazy you are :-D

Riverstorm

@robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

i am not dumping anything. i dont map button 6 in 4 button games, whoo hoo

We might be failing to communicate or I might not be understanding. Maybe we have two discussions happening? ;) RA has this setup and it won't change.

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Those six inputs will be mapped to MAME inputs. This is just for illustrative purposes and may not use the exact scheme but makes the point. Where is my "L" button? You're binding button 4 to R (a second time) and shifted YX to the right.

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You're favoring a 3 and 4 button layout simultaneously in lieu of any 6 button layout. Which leaves you later to address the issue of a 6th button at some point whether that be through ROM level remaps, etc.

This bind will be global when the layout is loaded and then you'll need to address 6 button games.

Using either :

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OR

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Still allows 6 button games to work and at least covers every game for everyone even if the button rows are correct or swapped as in either layout above.

With your suggested subtype mapping 6 buttons games will never work unless you do a ROM level override. When that subtype is loaded. That's the key right there. It (button 6) doesn't exist in that subtype with those mappings. You gimped those games in favor of a combined 3/4 button simultaneous layout.

robertvb83

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

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i think
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would suit pretty well (muahaha)

grant2258

@robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:
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i think
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would suit pretty well (muahaha)

and you call me crazy :D

grant2258

@robertvb83 you should have just glued a snes pad onto of your cabinet :) :D

robertvb83

@grant2258 i could not play 3 button games 123 ;-)

Riverstorm

To add to the above. Your suggested layout would leave MAME button 6 to equal 'NUL' because it's left unmapped by the subtype. Any game using MAME button 6 will just simply fail to respond. Well it won't exist to actually press.

robertvb83

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

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this is not how it works! it will be

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grant2258

@robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:
RYX
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this is not how it works! it will be
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this is correct but the point remains the same button 6 is not assigned ! im going to drill you a extra button! lol

robertvb83

my next cab will be

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that way its more of a Challenge because i can only use mame button 3 for ALL the games

grant2258

@robertvb83 thats it im removing button 3 from mame ahahah :)

robertvb83

@grant2258 ill beat the games Joystick only, no problem

grant2258

@robertvb83 honestly though i can see why you want it setup like gamepad. it is unusal to do this but not really a wrong thing to do if like that layout. Maybe some people want a gamepad layout instead. I prefer arcade styles is all. The good thing now is mame is flexible enough to do both regardless of default mapping now. People will have to learn RA mapping is all

robertvb83

@grant2258 i dont want to but i have to, because there is no arcade layout for 4 button games on a 6 button panel
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is not by any means a proper arcade layout

but yes understanding and learning RA is key and then its only 5 minutes to do whatever you want

grant2258

@robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

caus

agreed but its just as valid as
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robertvb83

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

caus

agreed but its just as valid as
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i can accept that

Riverstorm

Maybe a different way to explain it using your example above. I just trying to make a point about the concept and not the actual values. Here is your mapping example below.

Subtype:

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MAME Mappings:

MAME 1 = RA B
MAME 2 = RA A
MAME 3 = RA R
MAME 3 = RA Y
MAME 4 = RA X
MAME 5 = RA L
MAME 6 = ? (NUL)

Looking at the above example you mapped button 3 twice. You're saying MAME 3 = 'RA R' and you're saying MAME 3 = 'RA Y' at the same time. I don't know but maybe @grant2258 could answer the question if that can even be done.

Also MAME 6 is not mapped to any RA field. There's no RA to MAME mapping so button 6 will never be available, even with overrides because it's not mapped to anything.

You could theoretically use the MAME Remapper to assign a value to MAME button 6 basically skipping RA altogether which defeats the point of RA subtypes.

MAME games are still using MAME button 6 but you didn't map any RA fields so it's going to do nothing as long as your subtype is loaded.

So any games coded in MAME to use button 6 will not work. Basically 6 button games wouldn't work properly with this subtype if that makes sense.