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    • sirhenrythe5thS
      sirhenrythe5th
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      For me it would be great if MAME should improve, Arcade is the moste important Thing for me.
      SEGA Titan running fine probably? That would be like XMAS to me :D
      But of course Dreamcast would be fine too.

      However...i am on your side ClassicGMR.
      I would even buy it if they only changed the color of the power LED :D :D

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      • DarksaviorD
        Darksavior
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        I'm probably going to get the 2GB version to hopefully improve the boxart loading on the pegasus-frontend.

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        • sirhenrythe5thS
          sirhenrythe5th
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          I will catch the 4GB Version.
          It is not that expensive and maybe useful later.

          btw: whats about that?

          •VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x

          i am not that techi - is this something that could be important too?

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            shadow @sirhenrythe5th
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            @sirhenrythe5th I think that they are trying to hide how similar the gpus could be between the 3 and the 4

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              mechafatnick
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              Does anyone know what this means for Saturn support now that Yabasanshiro runs quite acceptably on a mid-range Android phone?

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              • sirhenrythe5thS
                sirhenrythe5th
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                I doubt it will be improved too much.
                I have a similar experience with GameCube (Dolphin) on my Android-Phone.
                The Games run pretty good (Xperia 5 Premium)!

                But i guess you cant really compare it to a Pi, better CPU, much better GPU, and of course better supported emulators.

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                • dankcushionsD
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                  @hiulit said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                  VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x

                  this is HUGE news I think. it should mean fullspeed and accurate emulation for:

                  • n64
                  • dreamcast
                  • saturn

                  and better emulators for

                  • playstation (beetle-hw)

                  all of these required GLES 3.x for full support. GLES 2.x was always holding pi3 back, for the most part.

                  i should think the new CPU should allow for full speed current MAME also, but we will see...

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                  • shavecatS
                    shavecat
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                    Crazy ! olalala
                    Im waiting for reports ! ;))

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                    • ledowL
                      ledow
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                      @sirhenrythe5th said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                      VideoCore VI

                      It's supposed to have h265 acceleration, but whether that's native or not, I can't see a benchmark for. Handy for, say, media centres. They say both HDMI can be 4K... and I can't see anything about VideoCore VI / Broadcom BCM2711 anywhere except in Pi4 announcements... maybe it's a slight graphics upgrade?

                      Certainly nothing hugely attractive and ground-breaking. The only thing of interest was the overclocking which should take you beyond what the Pi 3 can manage (according to one article I read), but it doesn't seem humungous.

                      Hopefully with USB-C the damn connectors won't be changing much again, and we'll be able to buy almost USB-C and it'll have enough oomph to power the Pi 4. I know that USB-C powerbanks are already a thing, so that would be nice.

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                      • hooperreH
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                        @quicksilver says wait for Raspberry Pi 4 to build a handheld. Day later Raspberry Pi 4 drops. You’re a prophet!

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                        • sirhenrythe5thS
                          sirhenrythe5th @dankcushions
                          last edited by sirhenrythe5th

                          @dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                          @hiulit said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                          VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x

                          this is HUGE news I think. it should mean fullspeed and accurate emulation for:

                          • n64
                          • dreamcast
                          • saturn

                          and better emulators for

                          • playstation (beetle-hw)

                          all of these required GLES 3.x for full support. GLES 2.x was always holding pi3 back, for the most part.

                          i should think the new CPU should allow for full speed current MAME also, but we will see...

                          WOW! that sounds too good to be true! :O
                          Thanks for info darkcushions.

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                          • ledowL
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                            Not if the graphics updates are just MESA updates (which they appear they could be according to the github commits). Unless it's accelerated GLES 3.x, then it's just the same hardware trying to do more work.

                            It provides 3.x "capability", i.e. it can take 3.x GL instructions, but that doesn't mean it's automatically faster than just doing the 2.x equivalent unless it has specific hardware acceleration for it.

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                              Barcrest @sirhenrythe5th
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                              @sirhenrythe5th said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                              @dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                              @hiulit said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                              VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x

                              this is HUGE news I think. it should mean fullspeed and accurate emulation for:

                              • n64
                              • dreamcast
                              • saturn

                              and better emulators for

                              • playstation (beetle-hw)

                              all of these required GLES 3.x for full support. GLES 2.x was always holding pi3 back, for the most part.

                              i should think the new CPU should allow for full speed current MAME also, but we will see...

                              WOW! that sounds too good to be true! :O
                              Thanks for info darkcushions.

                              I imagine it would match the Odroid XU4 at least which means saturn should be coming as that needed the 3.x support on the GPU.

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                              • tpo1990T
                                tpo1990
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                                This is great news. It will unlock more possible source ports to build and get them to run on future builds when it comes to the Raspberry Pi 4 thanks to the Open GL ES 3.0 version.

                                I can imagine that arcade emulation will benefit from this with perhaps a newer Mame version and also possible N64 as well as
                                the Dreamcast.

                                I will definitely get the 4 gb version at some point later, thinking that 4 gb could be useful in development and it does not cost much more. RetroPie is not ready yet and waiting will get more hardware accessories available for the new RPI 4. If im lucky the Raspberry Pi 4 could also get discounted in some months as well.

                                This also lets me thinking that i need to find something to use my RPI 3 for.

                                I'm glad that i did not buy the RPI 3b+ and hold out for the RPI 4.

                                Greetings from Denmark. :-)

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                                • dankcushionsD
                                  dankcushions Global Moderator @ledow
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                                  @ledow said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                                  Not if the graphics updates are just MESA updates (which they appear they could be according to the github commits). Unless it's accelerated GLES 3.x, then it's just the same hardware trying to do more work.

                                  It provides 3.x "capability", i.e. it can take 3.x GL instructions, but that doesn't mean it's automatically faster than just doing the 2.x equivalent unless it has specific hardware acceleration for it.

                                  i'm fairly sure it is:

                                  I’ve just pushed a “vc5” branch to my Mesa tree (https://github.com/anholt/mesa/commits/vc5). This is the culmination of a couple of months of work on building a new driver for Broadcom’s V3D 3.3. V3D 3.3 is a GLES3.1 part, though I’m nowhere near conformance yet. This driver is for BCM7268, a set-top-box SOC that boots an upstream Linux kernel. I’m really excited to be working on a modern GLES implementation, and one that has its core platform support upstream already.

                                  but note that this isn't even neccesarily a speed thing - the pi1-3 simply couldn't run GLES 3.x instruction set, which meant it uses slower, less accurate GLES 2.x pathways, or it couldn't run certain 3d emulators at all.

                                  it was never a GPU speed issue. even in n64 games with slowdown, 9/10 the slowdown would be caused by one or both of: nonoptimal GLES2 pathway, very slow system bus. both of these issues should be eliminated with the pi4.

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                                    ellohir @dankcushions
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                                    @dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:

                                    it was never a GPU speed issue. even in n64 games with slowdown, 9/10 the slowdown would be caused by one or both of: nonoptimal GLES2 pathway, very slow system bus. both of these issues should be eliminated with the pi4.

                                    Thanks for that explanation! I'll wait for some benchmarks before making a decision though (and for the new Retropie release that's coming soon).

                                    But I'm happy that N64 emulation can take advantage of the new GLES 3.x. Do Mupen64Plus-next and Reicast already support it? It's so difficult to follow these different forks, platforms and api's...

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                                    • dankcushionsD
                                      dankcushions Global Moderator @ellohir
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                                      @ellohir

                                      Do Mupen64Plus-next and Reicast already support it? It's so difficult to follow these different forks, platforms and api's...

                                      yes... but we will probably have to wait for them to support/compile for the new hardware's capabilities. it should be reasonably quick to happen but no-one has the hardware in their hands yet!

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                                        Just ordered the 2GB version :)

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                                        • sirhenrythe5thS
                                          sirhenrythe5th
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                                          to summarize: is it smart to order one now too?

                                          I guess it will take a couple of weeks until a retropie-version for the Pi4 will be released, right?
                                          I also read that a new raspbian will be released (if not required) for the Pi4.

                                          So am i right when is say that orinary users have some time and dont have to order at once?

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                                          • tpo1990T
                                            tpo1990 @sirhenrythe5th
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                                            @sirhenrythe5th I think you are right. RetroPie is probably not ready yet due to requiring a new kernel for the Raspberry Pi 4B hardware.

                                            I think it is best to still wait on buying the new RPI 4B until RetroPie is supported for that model. In the mean time we can use our RPI 3b/3b+ unless you have other specific purpose of use for the RPI 4B. :-)

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