The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!
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@dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
it was never a GPU speed issue. even in n64 games with slowdown, 9/10 the slowdown would be caused by one or both of: nonoptimal GLES2 pathway, very slow system bus. both of these issues should be eliminated with the pi4.
Thanks for that explanation! I'll wait for some benchmarks before making a decision though (and for the new Retropie release that's coming soon).
But I'm happy that N64 emulation can take advantage of the new GLES 3.x. Do Mupen64Plus-next and Reicast already support it? It's so difficult to follow these different forks, platforms and api's...
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Do Mupen64Plus-next and Reicast already support it? It's so difficult to follow these different forks, platforms and api's...
yes... but we will probably have to wait for them to support/compile for the new hardware's capabilities. it should be reasonably quick to happen but no-one has the hardware in their hands yet!
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Just ordered the 2GB version :)
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to summarize: is it smart to order one now too?
I guess it will take a couple of weeks until a retropie-version for the Pi4 will be released, right?
I also read that a new raspbian will be released (if not required) for the Pi4.So am i right when is say that orinary users have some time and dont have to order at once?
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@sirhenrythe5th I think you are right. RetroPie is probably not ready yet due to requiring a new kernel for the Raspberry Pi 4B hardware.
I think it is best to still wait on buying the new RPI 4B until RetroPie is supported for that model. In the mean time we can use our RPI 3b/3b+ unless you have other specific purpose of use for the RPI 4B. :-)
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i think it depends on how willing you are to rebuild, experiment and so on. none of the retropie developers have one yet so i think it's fair to say that it could be weeks before an initial image is released.
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@dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
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It may take longer than just weeks. It does take some time in developing RetroPie updates, especially the next big version. RetroPie Version 4.5 is the next update in line.
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@dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
yes... but we will probably have to wait for them to support/compile for the new hardware's capabilities. it should be reasonably quick to happen but no-one has the hardware in their hands yet!
Great! Good to know! As I said, I'm excited to see the improvements and benchmarks on the new model 😄
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The new RPI4 seems to require the freshly released Raspbian Buster to work.
So I would hold my horses a bit for RetroPie to catch-up with such change.
Hopefully things don't take too much work, but lots of testing is in order :) -
The one thing i am hoping for is better Mame emulation because it would be nice to have a Pi and at least the 2gb memory model handle games like Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder and Killer Instinct 1 and 2 because i love those games and would be great for my barcade.
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What RetroPie standard applications would 2 or even 4 GB internal memory be needed for?
Please and thank you.
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@Addison said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
What RetroPie standard applications would 2 or even 4 GB internal memory be needed for?
Please and thank you.
Well certain emulators like N64 would benefit better from more memory and i would tend to think certain arcade emulation as well and also PSP and Dreamcast should be more improved on it with more memory.
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@dankcushions said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@hiulit said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x
this is HUGE news I think. it should mean fullspeed and accurate emulation for:
- n64
- dreamcast
- saturn
and better emulators for
- playstation (beetle-hw)
all of these required GLES 3.x for full support. GLES 2.x was always holding pi3 back, for the most part.
i should think the new CPU should allow for full speed current MAME also, but we will see...
Accurate Saturn emulation? That's amazing!
But with which emulator? The only accurate Saturn emulator I know of is Mednafen and it requires a modern fast desktop CPU...
As for N64, the latest updates on M64P indeed bring excellent accuracy on HLE, I guess we should consider the N64 fully emulated on the Pi now...
Also I'd really love to see SEGA Model 1 & 2 emulation but I guess we're not that fortunate due no available open source emulator options out there.
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@matchaman said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
Accurate Saturn emulation? That's amazing!
But with which emulator? The only accurate Saturn emulator I know of is Mednafen and it requires a modern fast desktop CPU...yaba-sanshiro is built for ARM phones so it will work. it's accurate enough.
libretro kronos is also a possibility - a fork of the above. it is not so ARM-centric, though.
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very exciting, looking forward to the things that come :)
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Oh My God, it's like christmas time allover again 😍
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Days like this remind me to thank the mods here lol and everyone involved in the project!
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Anyone who wants the latest info on the pi 4 can check out this thread on the pi forums. Looks like the engineers are answering questions there as well.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=243372
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https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-4-specs-benchmarks/
benchmarkshttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1560/1473/files/Inside_Raspberry_Pi_4.pdf?2142
a sort of FAQ about pi4, nice document -
According to an RPI engineer, they now doubled the SDcard module speed which I agree was pretty slow in earlier models :)
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1483978&sid=5f3ca0bac2a86c22e8b9e0441f0b58ac#p1483978No. Double.
DDR50 is now supported and the controller now supports ADMA.While it is not eMMC, it is still a welcomed improvement!
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