Cannot run SD Snatcher, MSX2 [SOLVED]

Zering

@adambegood The text and font is different.

AdamBeGood

@zering You've got me paranoid now, I'll have to check when I get back home.

Zering

@adambegood

Look at 5.20 for comparison.

Folly

@Zering

I see the difference.

I have got the IPS patch.

Too bad no sums are attached, so i have to try a version.

Or do you have sums of the one you patched ?

Folly

@Zering

Patched one succesfully.

Up till now only working on openmsx.

Zering

@folly I used a pre-patched version, sorry.

So your patched version is working?

Folly

@zering said in Cannot run SD Snatcher, MSX2 [SOLVED]:

@folly I used a pre-patched version, sorry.

So your patched version is working?

Yes, it only works on openmsx.

But I see that you can patch to 3 differtent types.

These originals are patchable with "Project Melancholia" (sha1sum) (patched version boots in opensmsx with good sound (SD092-xE.ips) :

1e8334aa3cb826cc45a3e3d0b46b9cdc228725d6  Super Deform Snatcher (1990)(Konami)(jp)(Disk 1 of 3)[SCC+].dsk
1156f6c4d9332fdc6cda05558ac3e3102a2764fe  Super Deform Snatcher (1990)(Konami)(jp)(Disk 2 of 3)[SCC+].dsk
e4b1b5f8b7ea4532551c103164860c8802151131  Super Deform Snatcher (1990)(Konami)(jp)(Disk 3 of 3)[SCC+].dsk

Actually the same as the first version in the mame hash table of msx2_flop.xml
Although this version should boot in lr-mess, it does not work with sound cartridge. Boots without sdsnatch, but then stops naturally.

I think, I tried all unpatched/patched of above version in lr-bluemsx and in lr-mess.
No joy for all of them. Perhaps we will find a solution in the future.

AdamBeGood

@folly said in Cannot run SD Snatcher, MSX2 [SOLVED]:

Super Deform Snatcher (1990)(Konami)(jp)(Disk 1 of 3)[SCC+].dsk

This was so useful, @Folly !

I was messing about with different versions of the patches and different files, and not having much joy... Thank you so much! You've saved me from wasting any more of my evening! That works well.

Folly

@adambegood said in Cannot run SD Snatcher, MSX2 [SOLVED]:

@folly said in Cannot run SD Snatcher, MSX2 [SOLVED]:

Super Deform Snatcher (1990)(Konami)(jp)(Disk 1 of 3)[SCC+].dsk

This was so useful, @Folly !

I was messing about with different versions of the patches and different files, and not having much joy... Thank you so much! You've saved me from wasting any more of my evening! That works well.

Nice, I if I can, I will play some. The translation looks indeed perfect now. ;-)
Thanks for the tip @Zering .

Zering

@folly No worries. You should play it. I really enjoyed that game, except for the final boss!

mth75

@Zering

I managed to get SD Snatcher working with SCC+ sound within lr_bluemsx with the following config.ini (check the path).

Screenshot 2022-10-12 at 04.30.02.jpg

Folly

@mth75

Nice find !

I checked the picture and the file and it basically comes down to adding only the SCCPLUS rom line beneath the MSX2 rom line :

0 0 0 4 66 "Machines/Shared Roms/MSX2.rom" ""
2 0 2 4 53 "Machines/Shared Roms/SCCPLUS.ROM" ""

I will test it later.

mth75

@Folly Yes, that is correct. (Ja, dat is juist!)and adding the SSCPLUS.rom (dummy file) to the mentioned folder.

More info:

http://www.msxblue.com/manual/config_c.htm

http://www.msxblue.com/manual/rommappers_c.htm

Folly

@mth75
I read somewhere that the same can be done with SCC.ROM.
( ga ik ook even proberen, als it tijd heb ;-) )

For those who want to try it too, I extracted the open source dummy rom files from paraMSX and RuMSX.
I placed them over here :
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RsqIMYC1YKYfRUuova_kTZqHVfNkiI_z

mth75

@Folly I'm curious how you value the SCC+ emulation ... I think it's quite good, but not 100% accurate ... Yes, SCC emulation should also be possible:

0 0 2 4 55 "Machines/Shared Roms/SCC.rom" "" and it seems to work.

Folly

@mth75 said in Cannot run SD Snatcher, MSX2 [SOLVED]:

@Folly I'm curious how you value the SCC+ emulation ... I think it's quite good, but not 100% accurate ...

I got it working too.
I like the sound, hard to tell if it's completely correct.
If I remember correctly, I think "openmsx" sounds a bit different but I will have to try it again.

Yes, SCC emulation should also be possible:

0 0 2 4 55 "Machines/Shared Roms/SCC.rom" "" and it seems to work.

Cool, this probably brings more possibilities on unofficial/patched/improved software on disk that use SCC.
Your line, with SCC.ROM, didn't work for me.
I found this one :
2 0 2 4 3 "Machines/Shared Roms/SCC.ROM" ""
on this gitub link.
Using this SCC line with the SD Snatcher with patch SD092MxE.IPS worked for me.

Btw.
I am also curious if I can use these dummy roms with MAME.
(edit : just tested and it didn't work)

Folly

I found that MAME can also work, but it will only recognise as SCC.
Info can be found here :
https://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=99199&page=all

The options -cart1 sdsnatch, -cart2 sdsnatch,-cart1 snatcher or -cart2 snatcher can be used in these situations.
Only for SD Snatcher with patch SD092MxE.IPS it will work.
The sdsnatch scc and snatcher scc will be recognised as regular SCC not SCC+.

The SCC+ option is probably not implemented in MAME.
More research has to be done on this.

mth75

@Folly Nice solution mate!

Folly

@mth75

Thanks,

I will probably implement this solution into my add-mamedev-systems.sh for hbf700p and nms8250.
(edit : added in version 248.01)

I found some older konami's with SCC/SCC+ support in some Konami Game Collection disks.
They can also be found in rom format.
These do work nicely in lr-bluemsx ! ;-)

fryguy1

@Zering said in Cannot run SD Snatcher, MSX2 [SOLVED]:

@Zering
Again, no succes with bluemsx and SCC

Hello, I was able to get SCC sound working in lr-bluemsx by placing SCC.ROM from removed in /BIOS/Machines/Shared Roms and adding this line

2 0 2 4 3 "Machines/Shared Roms/SCC.ROM" ""

beneath the line with "MSX2PMUS.rom" in the config.ini file in /BIOS/Machines/MSX2+.

I am using the English patched version of the ROM from Project Melancholia.

I got set on the path to the solution by this video on YouTube.