lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport

maxbeanz

@riverstorm @markwkidd I checked a lot of games that use samples and none of the samples play. The sample support must be broken. @Riverstorm Note: some of the games have sound because it's not using a WAV sample, for instance, 'dkong' uses samples for jump run & stomp, 'bosco' uses them for fire and explosion. There is no speech in 'Gorf', 'Wizard of Wor', 'Shark Attack' etc.

When the sample support is fixed we'll need to use the 'dkong' samples from Twistys 'older samples' as that contains the missing 'effect00, effect01, effect02'. You may wan't to edit your Github post :)

grant2258

@maxbeanz said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

he sample support is fixed we'll n

updated the dat today in case people dont about the xml generator damn i just woke up and read this again lol fixed

Riverstorm

@maxbeanz said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

some of the games have sound because it's not using a WAV sample, for instance, 'dkong' uses samples for jump run & stomp, 'bosco' uses them for fire and explosion. There is no speech in 'Gorf', 'Wizard of Wor', 'Shark Attack' etc.

That makes sense. I knew they could be hybrid but it's been years since I really spent time thinking about samples. I've been using the same canned set in mame4all for years and with the newest set you don't really need to process samples.

When I played bosco I flew around and fired but didn't actually blow up a space station. Part of the audio is from ROMs and part is from samples. You're getting partial sound? Same for Gorf. Zaxxon and Depth Charge must be 100% samples hence no sound at all.

I would still opt for the enhanced sounds. What I do is overwrite the older samples with the new enhanced ones (4 new total) but the DAT is missing the effect wav's so they get ripped right back out of the sample set. You need effect00.wav, effect01.wav & effect02.wav for the girder stomp in the intro, etc.

Riverstorm

@maxbeanz - Here's a DAT of only new and updated ROMs in mame2003_plus_libretro. It's created as Non-Merged due to ROM dependencies would make the list much larger or you would get many ClrMamePro errors leaving out the dependencies of a split or merge set.

If you overwrite your lr-mame2003 set (also needs to be non-merged) it will be identical to mame2003_plus_libretro. There's two exceptions that only exist in lr-mame2003 listed below. That can be manually removed or run through ClrMamePro to auto remove them. I wouldn't recommend doing it to your archive set though but to a new directory or when building up RetroPie.

The size is 1.52GB which is much smaller than storing the entire set. Also it allows you to test the new and updated games only or the entire set while saving space. You can use the Arcade folder and leave your lr-mame2003 folder without changes.

I am doing it the other way around. I have everything in Arcade (lr-mame2003, lr-fbalpha & AdvMAME) and then use the mame-libretro folder using mame2003_plus_libretro set as default for testing. That way I don't need to modify my current set but can add any new games that mame2003_plus_libretro support.

If they are ever able to "ignore" the Retroarch abstraction layer inputs when in the MAME TAB menu and restore them upon exit. I might fully convert over! ;)

Only exist in lr-mame2003:
• Cabal (US set 2) (cabal2)
• Urashima Mahjong (urashima)

ROM Count:
Total ROMs - 4810
Duplicate ROMs - 4687
New ROMs - 92
Updated ROMs - 31

maxbeanz

@riverstorm Thanks, but I already added all the new games to my collection a week ago. I'm currently using mame2010 until they sort out the broken samples in 2003plus and if Arcadez can get the Bally games working.

Riverstorm

@maxbeanz said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

@riverstorm Thanks, but I already added all the new games to my collection a week ago. I'm currently using mame2010 until they sort out the broken samples in 2003plus and if Arcadez can get the Bally games working.

Time flies, sorry, I didn't realize a week had passed since you asked last. As long as you have a system that works. I know Zuppa said he had tested most of them already on Friday too. I wasn't quite sure where you guys were getting your lists. I know the whatsnew.txt shows 111 games but a binary compare actually shows 123 games have been added/updated. My goal was create a set that could supplement lr-mame2003 that is 100% accurate but I see they outdated the list already within 24 hours which is great to see the new updates. ;) As long as you go through the commits occasionally you should have it.

markwkidd

Just wanted to say again that all the testing is a major help.

maxbeanz

@riverstorm Most of the extra ones are the clones to the new games that were added like Nightslashers (Japan version with red blood), Ragtime (Clone of Boogie Wings) etc. There were also a couple I saw in the Github commits that weren't on the whatsnew.txt like Hook (Japan) and Crystal Castles (Joystick Version).

Riverstorm

@maxbeanz said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

@riverstorm Most of the extra ones are the clones to the new games that were added like Nightslashers (Japan version with red blood), Ragtime (Clone of Boogie Wings) etc. There were also a couple I saw in the Github commits that weren't on the whatsnew.txt like Hook (Japan) and Crystal Castles (Joystick Version).

I figured clones or a few games that might have missed the whatsnew.txt. I am not really tracking each game change as I know I'll miss a day here or there and eventually my list will be out of sync down the road. Basically once in a while I'll just run a hash comparison and update the ROMs.

But it might not matter if plus continues rapid development it could be the preferred emulator then I will just reverse the process and lr-mame2003 will be the diff set. I think it has a total of 31 updated ROMs and 2 exclusive [right now].

grant2258

Well marks done a major update to syncronise the main cores of mame2003 and mame2003 plus since they split. We have made some nice progress fix up bugs in games that didnt work on mame 2003 and did on mame078. The last of these games that needs fixed is the bally/midway inputs and we have found the cause of the breakage this bug has been with us since 2012 and should be fixed soon. A classic like rampage (spectrum is still the best version cause i played it as a kid lol) should be playable

Riverstorm

@grant2258 said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

A classic like rampage (spectrum is still the best version cause i played it as a kid lol) should be playable

Nice, just in time for the movie release! ;)

grant2258

bally games should be fixed all be good in mame2003 plus and other games that inputs previously didnt work on. Please test and let e know how you all get on. These changes will go onto mame2003 pending them agreeing and the test results

mediamogul

@grant2258

Excellent news! Great work to all involved.

grant2258

@mediamogul said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

@grant2258

Excellent news! Great work to all involved.

yes we have a good bunch of guys working together now even if we dont always agree and moan we get it done

AndersHP

Can I ask, what are you guys using as your general base when it comes to mame2003 roms?
Adding the complete romset +4000 games?
Adding the "lite" romset, consisting of about 1600 games?

I guess, if mame2003 is updated regularly (as it seems in this thread), one have to keep adding new games if using the 'lite' romset?
I cannot really find my footing, since I don't want to add NeoGeo games to my mame folder, but I feel that many games are left out of the 'lite' romset...?

Riverstorm

@andershp said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

Can I ask, what are you guys using as your general base when it comes to mame2003 roms?

There's roughly 4800 ROMs as a complete set. There's no subsets or lite sets.

From the TAB menu (while in a game) there's an option to 'Generate XML DAT'. You press enter and it creates a DAT based off the build you're currently using. The DAT file is placed in /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003-plus folder named mame2003.xml.

Up above is a DAT of only new/updated ROMs from lr-mame2003 to mame2003_plus_libretro.

AndersHP

@riverstorm i was referring to the mame2003 lite dat in the docs. It has no clones, mahjong, neogeo, adult and nonworking games.

Riverstorm

@andershp said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

@riverstorm i was referring to the mame2003 lite dat in the docs. It has no clones, mahjong, neogeo, adult and nonworking games.

Oh, sorry this thread is mainly about mame2003_plus_libretro and not lr-mame2003.

cosmo0

@andershp said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

Can I ask, what are you guys using as your general base when it comes to mame2003 roms?
Adding the complete romset +4000 games?
Adding the "lite" romset, consisting of about 1600 games?

I guess, if mame2003 is updated regularly (as it seems in this thread), one have to keep adding new games if using the 'lite' romset?
I cannot really find my footing, since I don't want to add NeoGeo games to my mame folder, but I feel that many games are left out of the 'lite' romset...?

Shameless plug, again :)
I'm using these files: https://github.com/cosmo0/retropie-arcade-manager-data/tree/master/csv/mame2003
To use with this tool: https://github.com/cosmo0/retropie-arcade-manager/releases
I have built the "classics" lists by hand, and the "quality" sets come from ProgettoSnaps.
I'm not a fan of having thousands of games, you just end up not playing any. The "classics" list are much more manageable (about 250 in the regular and 50 in the classics-lite).
I keep the full romsets on my NAS, so I can try things that I discover here and there, MAME ROWs, etc.

@riverstorm said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

@andershp said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:
Oh, sorry this thread is mainly about mame2003_plus_libretro and not lr-mame2003.

Sorry if it's been said in the 400+ posts, but is it installable through the RetropieSetup script, and will it ever be merged in the main lr-mame2003?
The first post, although quite old, made me think these new games were included in the main release...

Riverstorm

@cosmo0 said in lr-mame2003 driver improvement and backport:

Sorry if it's been said in the 400+ posts, but is it installable through the RetropieSetup script, and will it ever be merged in the main lr-mame2003?
The first post, although quite old, made me think these new games were included in the main release...

Yes you can install from under the 'Manage Experimental Packages'. There's only one option 'From Source' and no 'From Binary' so it take a little while but worth it for the new games alone.

I am not sure if it will ever be merged but it does play all the same games plus over 100 additional ones.