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    Anybody else emulating microcomputers and using a CRT TV?

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      youxia
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      Nah, it's not that straightforward. It's tricky to find out what the "correct" one is to start with since they use borders and different modes too. Then you have retroarch.cfg with its multiple variables and settings, such as Integer or Window Size. In standalone Vice for example it's even more convoluted.

      Besides, I don't necessarily say the core sttings are "wrong". They actually look pretty good, though at cost of getting rid of the border. I just wanted to see if there's anybody who has first-hand experience of this subject.

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        ScanLines @youxia
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        @youxia Did you get anywhere with this? I may try running the lib-retro version of VICE that someone is working on then it has more of a chance of working correctly in Retropie. I'm hoping to emulate the c64 moderately accurately on CRT.

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          A Former User
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          I'm running the following PAL systems. System name, followed by emulator.

          Commodore 64 - Vice - x64
          Commodore 16 - Vice - xplus4
          Commodore Vic 20 - Vice - xvic
          Atari 800 - atari800
          Amiga 500/1200 - Amiberry
          Apple II - linapple
          Oric Atmos - oricutron
          MSX - Openmsx
          Ti99/4a - ti99sim
          Dragon 32 - XRoar

          Most are not Retroarch emulators because I found Retroarch can be a real pain when it comes to computer systems, consoles are fine. All needed quite a bit of tweaking, rebooting, tweaking, rebooting, just to get them anywhere near looking like the real thing.
          All, needed a keyboard to get the best out of them, and easier to get to the menu settings.
          I own all the systems above, apart from the Apple II. So, it was easier for me to set up each system to the same Sony CRT TV the Pi is using. Then just flick between AV inputs, to see the differences. I was quite surprised, after days of tweaking, how good the Pi looks. It's not 100% the same, getting the resolutions to match was difficult. And the Pi's composite-out, is often a little bit clearer , picture-wise, than systems with composite-out like the Commodore computers, Atari800, etc.. And a lot clearer than computers using RF. But I'm nearly there now, and pleased with the results.

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            youxia
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            @ScanLines I was using my SCART RGB TVs via Pi2SCART for some time, it's easier to set up than composite (though not easy :). But now I'm back in Asia and using a NTSC TV via Composite. Commodore 64 looks actually pretty good: I'm using lr-vice and the default Integer On values seem to be scaled properly - 768 (2x) hori and 544 (2x) vert . At least I think they're default, tbh I don't remember now which configs I have or haven't tweaked. Atari micro is also good. ZX Spectrum - heavy NTSC artifacts though it seems to scale properly. When I get rid of borders the scaling gets messed up - but artifacts are gone.

            @John_RM_70 So could you share some of your settings for those emus? I'm particularly interested in Vice 64. Spent hours trying to get this right to no avail.

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              A Former User @youxia
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              @youxia
              I have a afternoon off, so I will return to Vice, on the Pi. I intend to setup a Commodore 64c, and see how close Vice is to the real thing. Bear in mind that I am in PAL territory, so you might have to alter a line in the cfg.

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                ScanLines @youxia
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                @youxia said in Anybody else emulating microcomputers and using a CRT TV?:

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                I got lr-vice working and I like that it scales the screen better than plain VICE but it seems to be slow loading games. Also the joystick just worked (kinda) in lr-vice not so much in VICE. Didn't have a whole lot of time to play with it.

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                  A Former User
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                  Joystick works fine in Vice. Stop talking tosh.

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                    ScanLines @A Former User
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                    @John_RM_70 Oh I totally suspect it does I just didn't have time to noodle with it.

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                      youxia
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                      @ScanLines I don't really think lr-vice loads games slower than vice. Are you sure? I might do a little test later but don't think so, it's just maybe particular game has a long loading/decompressing time, and others don't.

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                        A Former User
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                        Vice loads in real-time, same as real hardware.
                        I tested this with Bruce Lee game, on both Pi and real C64 + Pi1541

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