What are your expectations for the pi 5?

PiBoy

@unknown said in What are your expectations for the pi 5?:

Curious about people’s predictions on the raspberry pi 5. My predictions are that it will come with more ram , more powerful cpu and a 64 bit gpu. Feel free to disagree with me and post your predictions here!

Well, yeah. What else would they upgrade? It's always those for every generation. The real things to ponder are beyond just performance upgrades. USB-C ports? Thunderbolt? Wifi 7? Bluetooth 6.0 or whatever the next version is? More HDMI out? Or maybe it's all displayport via USB-C ports instead of mini hdmi. That article mentions that the RPi4, 400, and Compute Boards are selling well, so they have no desire to introduce new hardware, such as the Rpi4A. That make sense since the Raspberry Pi world isn't competitive like the desktop computing world.

Unknown

@piboy I guess I should have thought of more interesting stuff. Here goes: Someone on the internet theorized that the pi 5 would have built in memory, but I highly doubt that. I would not be surprised if they added an analog gpio option though

hawkes_84

@unknown just for it to come out soon and competently emulate n64 and ps2 would be good enough for me. Too much to ask?

Unknown

@hawkes_84 With overclock N64 is emulated pretty well. The only game that I have seen lag is “Destruction derby 64” with my setup. Ps2 is definitely going to be interesting though not to mention we should be able to do sega Saturn ,GameCube , and possibly 3DS. However I think the Wii will have some performance Issues with some games working and some not.

dodonpachi

I'd want it to reach a stable 3.0 GHz CPU, even if by overclock. There's a lot of more demanding games that are almost there on Pi 4 in terms of playability, but I need some more juice.

Unknown

@dodonpachi I have heard rumors that people have been able to overclock to 3 gigahertz on the pi 4 but I highly doubt that it would be stable.

sirhenrythe5th

there are quite a lot of watercooled pi-projects to find in the www,, i could imagine that those units are able to run higher oc-rates.
I did not find anyone vapochilling (=freezing the CPU to -30°C) the Pi.
Maybe because it would be too expensive to invest 100s of $ for a 40$-Device ;D

PiBoy

PS2 and GameCube emulations is still long off, even with a performance bump. Those emulators are built for x86, emulating them on ARM is still very much a work in progress. While possible, it is not likely to be close to stable even if the Pi5 came out in two years. It should be noted that PS2 emulation is nowhere near perfect or excellent, even on a well equipped x86 machine. GameCube/Wii is much better, but has plenty of issues, unlike NES or SNES as an example of emulation that is "nearly perfect" on x86 these days.

@unknown said in What are your expectations for the pi 5?:

the pi 5 would have built in memory, but I highly doubt that.

Not sure what they mean by "built in memory." I assume they mean it is all built in to the SoC, instead of a separate chip on the board.

Unknown

@piboy they think it might have memory on the board instead of an SD card. I don’t think that will happen because people like the fact you can give the pi more memory by swapping SD cards

mitu

@unknown You are confusing memory (RAM) with storage (mSDCard/USB). The Pi (just as other SOC models) always had the memory soldered on the board and it is not upgradeable, like on a PC.

Unknown

@mitu actually I meant storage. Sorry if I wasn’t clear

windg

From the emulation capability prospective, i hope the next Pi to be capable for Playstation 2 roms.

George Spiggott

@windg said in What are your expectations for the pi 5?:

From the emulation capability prospective, i hope the next Pi to be capable for Playstation 2 roms.

I'm expecting something along the lines of an A76 CPU with a GPU that is boosted a little but much like the GPU in the Pi4*. With that in mind I would imagine that Gamecube and Wii will be the highest spec machine it will be capable of.

I also wonder * tinfoil hat firmly on looking through long distance glasses * if Xbox emulation will come to surpass PS2 emulation, in terms of what can be run on the lowest spec machines. Between PSP, Gamecube and Xbox there may only be a few titles that people really need a PS2 to run.

I certainly expect N64, PSP and DS emulation to become a much more stable experience for almost all of their titles.

We may start to see the end of SD cards and the beginning of M2 SSDs, small capacity ones are getting cheaper all the time, sometimes rivalling Micros SD prices, while offering more stable storage and (potentially) faster access. If Wii emulation does become commonplace on the Pi it will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens with integrating the Wii mote and accessories.

*pure speculation of course, maybe more maybe less.

VictimRLSH

@piboy I've emulated PS2 on the Pi4, but it has nothing to do with Retropie, you actually need to install Win 10 ARM which is a feat in and of itself. Performance of PCSX2 is absolute crap as you can expect, but even worse since the GPU isn't actually supported in Win 10 ARM (yet...). That being said, there are SOME games that are actually playable. KH 1 and 2, FF 10, FF 12, Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter, and Disgaea 1 and 2 to name a few.

dodonpachi

@victimrlsh do you have any gameplay videos or tutorials? I'd like to see how Kingdom Hearts 2 runs, it's quite a surprise to hear it's playable on Pi 4.

Unknown

@victimrlsh Are there graphic errors or is it just speed issues?

PiBoy

@unknown said in What are your expectations for the pi 5?:

@piboy they think it might have memory on the board instead of an SD card. I don’t think that will happen because people like the fact you can give the pi more memory by swapping SD cards

I doubt they'll ever have builtin storage on a RPi. It's not cost effective since a lot of projects may exceed or never fully utilize the on board storage. 32 GB is fine for up to SNES/GBA emulation, but not enough for PSX or Dreamcast. People tend to want to store a whole library of stuff. And that's just one category, game emulation. Think Kodi boxes. Video libraries can be huge. Naturally having the OS builtin to something much faster than an SD card would be great, but it is just such a great way to minimize costs, I doubt it is worth it to the RPi foundation.

Better would be USB 3.1 or USB 4. Very fast for running an emulation OS, as well as a lot of the operating systems that RPi's use.

PiBoy

@victimrlsh said in What are your expectations for the pi 5?:

@piboy I've emulated PS2 on the Pi4, but it has nothing to do with Retropie, you actually need to install Win 10 ARM which is a feat in and of itself. Performance of PCSX2 is absolute crap as you can expect, but even worse since the GPU isn't actually supported in Win 10 ARM (yet...). That being said, there are SOME games that are actually playable. KH 1 and 2, FF 10, FF 12, Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter, and Disgaea 1 and 2 to name a few.

Well yeah, of course you can get it to run if you can get Windows to run on an RPi. As you said, it runs like crap. What people want is official support for the PCSX2 core on ARM. That is still long off, unless there is some project I am not familiar with. Even though, PS2 emulation is far from perfect on an x86 PC. My experience involves a number of FPS drops, occasional crashes, and plenty of mostly minor graphical errors. But hey, maybe one day when the RPI's GPU is fully supported on Windows...someday...

Unknown

@piboy It appears that at best PS2 will be like N64 on pi 3 . Some games work but most don’t.

VictimRLSH

@unknown Speed and graphical errors are interchangeable here. If you use the PCSX2 speed hacks to try and get it to run faster, you get more graphic glitches, but speed is the primary issue. Getting through the cutscenes on FF 10 is a grind, but the battles aren't too bad.