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    • mituM
      mitu Global Moderator @juice
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      @juice Yes, fba and mame2003 have different romset versions - check out the arcade sections in the docs - https://retropie.org.uk/docs/FinalBurn-Alpha/ and https://retropie.org.uk/docs/MAME/

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      • AndersHPA
        AndersHP @UDb23
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        @udb23
        Great to see a combined list.
        I'm really surprised to see that lr-fbalpha is recommended for so many roms. I thought the MAME2003 was "lighter", meaning that the performance on the pi would be faster and better in many cases.

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        • UDb23U
          UDb23 @AndersHP
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          @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

          lr-fbalpha is recommended for so many roms

          Can't say why, I just collected the files created in this thread.
          I believe "recommended" does not mean best; as far as I know lr-fba is faster due to less precise emulation (playability focused core) while mame tries to exactly emulate the real arcade machine (may impact performance, even on a Pi3)

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          • UDb23U
            UDb23 @AndersHP
            last edited by UDb23

            @andershp Mame2003 is "lighter" compared to newer mame releases (newer=more precise emulation)

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            • AndersHPA
              AndersHP @UDb23
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              @udb23 But I thought "lighter" = more precise emulation..

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              My Gameboy

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              • UDb23U
                UDb23 @AndersHP
                last edited by

                @andershp more precise = more processing power needed = even Pi3 may not be able to manage (try a simple game like space invaders enabling with lr mame 2010 and mame overlay and backdrop... Too slow)

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                • dankcushionsD
                  dankcushions Global Moderator
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                  fbalpha is performance focused, but it's also a modern emulator. you can't really compare the performance with mame2003 -they're 14 years apart. i think most of the fbalpha code isn't even from a mame base in the first place.

                  so yeah, sometimes fbalpha will be faster than mame2003, sometimes not, but also it may have better accuracy in most games. mame2003 was accuracy-focused, but as of 2003. fbalpha will likely have the edge on it in most cases.

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                  • AndersHPA
                    AndersHP
                    last edited by

                    Allright, cool info. Now if only I could merge the spreadsheet with some rom utility to automatically choose the best rom type :)

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                    • RedBatmanR
                      RedBatman
                      last edited by

                      When I use FBA, I put MAME roms into my FBA rom folder. Does that affect accuracy?

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                      • UDb23U
                        UDb23 @RedBatman
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                        @redbatman each core (Fba in your case) requires its own romset. If got a rom that's not intended for that core you would notice as it most likely simply would not work.
                        No relation with accuracy.

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                          Pussyfoot
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                          Ideally, it would be cool to create a DAT file for FBA and MAME2003/2010 and AdvanceMAME 3.X. I'd be more than willing to do it based on what's on my SD Card. I never did it with CLRMAME Pro. Can anyone make a suggestion how to start?

                          Also, where is the config to identify which games I am using MAME 2010? I know the Rampage games need 2010.

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                            barbudreadmon @UDb23
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                            @udb23 said in FBA vs. MAME:

                            @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                            lr-fbalpha is recommended for so many roms

                            Can't say why, I just collected the files created in this thread.
                            I believe "recommended" does not mean best; as far as I know lr-fba is faster due to less precise emulation (playability focused core) while mame tries to exactly emulate the real arcade machine (may impact performance, even on a Pi3)

                            I have serious doubts a 15 years old mame version is more accurate than latest fba. But yes, it is a project focused on playability.

                            @Pussyfoot Do you have the exact list of games that run at full speed on mame2003 but not on fba ?

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                              Pussyfoot @barbudreadmon
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                              @barbudreadmon No. I just moved them as I found them. The Strikers 1945 II and III games were two of them. Rampage World Tour works well in MAME, but slow in FBA.

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                                barbudreadmon @Pussyfoot
                                last edited by barbudreadmon

                                @pussyfoot said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                The Strikers 1945 II and III games

                                They should run fine with the speedhack from the dipswitches.

                                I'll take a look at rampage world tour.
                                Edit : actually that's not a rom compatible with lr-fbalpha.

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                                  Pussyfoot @barbudreadmon
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                                  @barbudreadmon It doesn't run fine with the speed hack. It runs better, but not as well as in MAME. Also, the speed hack affects other games, yes?

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                                  • DarksaviorD
                                    Darksavior
                                    last edited by Darksavior

                                    Konami 4p games has slowdowns on latest fba. More noticable on a pi2 at 1ghz. They're fine in fba 2012. Not sure if this is due to being more accurate or a bug.

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                                      barbudreadmon @Pussyfoot
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                                      @pussyfoot @Darksavior All of them run at full speed on my rpi3 @1.3Ghz.

                                      Yes, i suppose if you have older/slower hardware, it is better to use older software.

                                      FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                      • RedBatmanR
                                        RedBatman @UDb23
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                                        @udb23 Well it does. Most of every game I use for FBA are MAME and they work jusr fine. Of course they are mostly fighting games

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                                        • UDb23U
                                          UDb23 @RedBatman
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                                          @redbatman said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                          Most of every game I use for FBA are MAME and they work jusr fine

                                          ROMS in the end are just different versions of dumps of the actual real game ROMS.

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                                          • RedBatmanR
                                            RedBatman @UDb23
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                                            @udb23 Huh, did not know that. Thanks

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