FBA vs. MAME

AndersHP

It could be an interesting shoot-out to have the FBA guys and MAME2003 PLUS guys tell us, why we should choose their solutions over the other.

Until now, MAME2003 was my goto for MAME, and if something didn't work or was allegedly running better in FBA, I would "upgrade" to this.

Now, it just seems like 2 parties are doing the same work simultaneously, or am I missing something?

grant2258

@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

It could be an interesting shoot-out to have the FBA guys and MAME2003 PLUS guys tell us, why we should choose their solutions over the other.

Until now, MAME2003 was my goto for MAME, and if something didn't work or was allegedly running better in FBA, I would "upgrade" to this.

Now, it just seems like 2 parties are doing the same work simultaneously, or am I missing something?

Two completely separate emulators I would never encourage anyone to pick mame2003plus over fba or vice versa.

Mame2003+ exists to improve mame2003 (mame078 code base) and this is the core that works best for low end hardware for raspberry pi.

If you like fba use it, if you like mame2003+ use it, if you like both use both.

I would quiet happily help fix fba if i seen a bug in the code and noticed it. For me its not one or the other.

barbudreadmon

@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

It could be an interesting shoot-out to have the FBA guys and MAME2003 PLUS guys tell us, why we should choose their solutions over the other.

Why should we do that ? I'm using both myself. Use whatever you want, and if you see an issue in one of them, report it. Which makes me think, did you try gyruss with latest fba ? I think the sound core had some update, but i can't say if it fixed your "fuzzy sound" issue since i never heard it myself.

AndersHP

@barbudreadmon @grant2258
No disrespect, I think it's awesome that people are using their spare time to mod mame games for others to enjoy.

I just feel like these parties are doing the same job, why not spare the energy and work together instead? I don't know the tecnical differences, but maybe that's just me being a newbie on this scene.

I haven't tried the FBA version of Gyruss since last we talked about it, it was kind of a gamechanger to me that the sound was off and it didn't save hiscores. But I'll give it another whirl, sure!

grant2258

@andershp i have no buzzing in gyrus in fba at all for what it worth. If you are experiencing buzzing and using the raspberry pi headphone jack thats a big cause of buzzing. There is kernel settings to stop it if you are using the headphone jack.

https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/17828/rampage-sound-issue-retropie-4-4/3

markwkidd

The answer is obvious -- merge the two cores. First we need another layer of abstraction, or two. Then we need a name. Something like "Multi Multi Arcade Machine Emulator: Final Burn Beta"

My god, it's full of stars.

barbudreadmon

@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

I just feel like these parties are doing the same job, why not spare the energy and work together instead?

MAME and FBA teams have been working together for a loooong time, and both emulators have different focus.

I haven't tried the FBA version of Gyruss since last we talked about it, it was kind of a gamechanger to me that the sound was off and it didn't save hiscores.

not sure why, but i was never able to reproduce your "fuzzy sound" issue, i'm even wondering it it's not some kind of performance issue since the most noticeable thing for those is generally choppy audio.
hiscores work, not sure why they didn't on this specific game at some point.
to my knowledge, the pace of gyruss music in fba is the same as in current mame, it seems mame changed it a few years ago (v0.146) because it was off, old mame cores should be the ones with the bad timing. I can't confirm this with the actual pcb though.

grant2258

@markwkidd said in FBA vs. MAME:

The answer is obvious -- merge the two cores. First we need another layer of abstraction, or two. Then we need a name. Something like "Multi Multi Arcade Machine Emulator: Final Burn Beta"

My god, it's full of stars.

@markwkidd get that idea out of your head right now lol! :)

UDb23

@markwkidd
2001: a cat odyssey ?
;-)
btw the Pi probably has more processing power than HAL 9000 was supposed to have...

AndersHP

Aww, I was trying to update my games to newest FBA version but copying from my list with the command mentioned earlier

cp `cat lr-fbalpha.txt` /Volumes/where/my/games/are

just copies the last file of my txt file (the zzyzzyxx.zip game) and returns this error (every other game mentioned):

cp: 1941.zip\r: No such file or directory
cp: 1942.zip\r: No such file or directory
cp: 1943.zip\r: No such file or directory
cp: 1943mii.zip\r: No such file or directory
cp: 1944.zip\r: No such file or directory
cp: 1945kiii.zip\r: No such file or directory

Terminal didn't do this the last time I copied - what can this be related to? What does the \r: mean? @dudleydes any hints?

pjft

@andershp that's a line break. You probably created the file in Windows and it's complaining that line breaks in Unix are different. You need to open it and save it with Unix line breaks very likely. Some editors have that option, I don't know one I'd recommend in specific though. :/

AndersHP

@pjft You are the man. Resaved the file with Line breaks: Unix and now it seems to be copying. Thanks a bunch!
Edit: using Text Wrangler, by the way.

Riverstorm

@pjft @AndersHP - Notedpad++ is a free open source text and code editor for Windows. It's pretty powerful and works well. Just goto Edit -> EOL Conversion -> UNIX/OSX Format check that and your good to go for editing any Pi files. You can switch it to Windows, MAC, etc. A plethora of options but the defaults work great.

AndersHP

I'm on a mac, that's why I use the TextWrangler :) Don't know why the file was saved with windows linebreaks though.

On another note; have anyone gotten Knights of Valour to run? I just updated to FBA 0.2.97.43 and still none of these games work...

barbudreadmon

@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

On another note; have anyone gotten Knights of Valour to run? I just updated to FBA 0.2.97.43 and still none of these games work...

I never had any issue with them.

Sano

@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

On another note; have anyone gotten Knights of Valour to run? I just updated to FBA 0.2.97.43 and still none of these games work...

Don't they need pgm BIOS ?

ByteThis

@sano It does need the PGM bios.

Riverstorm

@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

Don't know why the file was saved with windows linebreaks though.

It might just be a setting in the preferences similar to Notepad++ that allows you to save files out for different platforms. Notepad++ is written for Windows but that option above still allows you to save for other platforms, like old MAC format or Windows getting rid of the CR/LR (\r\n).

I just tested KOV on .43 and it works fine but as the others pointed it does require PGM. There doesn't seem to be any difference between .42 and .43 for either file though, I'm surprised it doesn't work.

AndersHP

@bytethis I have pgm.zip in my home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/FBA folder.
Does this need to be different when running my fba games off the Arcade folder?

dankcushions

@andershp try it in the arcade folder. i know you can (optionally) put the neogeo.zip in the bios folder but i’m not sure about other bios files. best to assume everything is in the arcade folder as a starting point.