Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans

AdamBeGood

@Scout53 On AvP specifically? Jaguar generally I find pretty poor on mine, but that game is okay.

I have Fast Blitter and Doom Res Hack ON in Options. I have the RunCommand resolution at 720x480.

I don't know if these things make a difference (I think the Fast Blitter does, whatever it means).

DTEAM

My settings (not necessarily the best). Just to match with games performances below.

#--------------------------------------------------------------
#PI4 OVERCLOCK v3d_freq = 850 
over_voltage=8
v3d_freq=850
#gpu_freq=750   not needed 
#hdmi_enable_4kp60=1  not needed after some_test
arm_freq=2100
#--------------------------------------------------------------

retroarch-core-options.cfg for Lr-Mess

mame_current_frame_skip = "1"

With Lr-virtualjaguar, some games are fasters with Quick Menu/Options/ Fast Blitter = on in Retroarch menu (like Fight for life (Europe), I recommend to use It most of the time

Analog Sensitivity must be fix at 0.3 for Lr-Mess

Best emulator = X

Air cars
Lr-Mess : 50-52 FPS (playable with sound)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 55.88 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, almost full speed) X

Arena Football 95
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : Stuck on the main screen (not playable)

Atari Kart
Lr-Mess : don't load (see comments in MAME hash file)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 36.65 FPS (slow,Fast Blitter = on ) X

Attack of the mutant penguins
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 32.3 FPS (playable, slow) X

AVP (Alien vs. Predator)
Lr-Mess : 56 FPS (playable) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 59 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, choppy sound, almost full speed)

Barkley Shut Up and Jam!
Lr-Mess : Stuck on the main menu (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 45 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, playable, no sound) X

Battle Sphere Gold
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : Black screen (not playable)

Breakout 2000
Lr-Mess : 40.22 FPS (slow, no sound, not fun to play)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 35 FPS (terrible sound, slow, not fun to play) X

Brett Hull Hockey
Lr-Mess : Games won't load (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : Games won't load (not playable)

Brutal Sports Football
Lr-Mess : 60.08 FPS (almost full speed, no sound issue) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 59.26 FPS (almost full speed)

Bubsy
Lr-Mess : 51.57 FPS (playable) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 33 FPS (slow)

Cannon Fodder
Lr-Mess : 60.3 FPS (full speed) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 59.12 FPS (almost full speed, choppy sound)

Checkered Flag
Lr-Mess : visual issues (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 45-48 FPS ( Must have Fast Blitter = on, fast, playable) X

Club Drive
Lr-Mess : grafx issues, no sound (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : shut down after 20 sec. (not playable)

Cyber Morph
Lr-Mess : grafx issues (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 20.58 FPS ( grafx issues with Fast Blitter, choppy sound, difficult to play) X

Defender 2000
Lr-Mess : grafx issues (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 34.37 FPS ( Fast Blitter = on, sound is little bit choppy, playable) X

Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story
Lr-Mess : 37.33 FPS (slow but playable) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 36.3 FPS (Must have Fast Blitter = on , slow but playable)

Doom
Lr-Mess : 34 FPS (playable - low FPS but looks normal, very playable) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 28 FPS (very slow - half screen only)

Double Dragon V
Lr-Mess : 60 FPS (almost full speed, sound issue)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 59 FPS (almost full speed) X

Evolution: Dino dudes
Lr-Mess : 51.57 FPS ( playable) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 35.16 FPS (slow, no sound but playable)

Fever Pitch Soccer
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 40 FPS (little bit choppy, playable)X

Fight for life (Europe) Must be Europe version
Lr-Mess : Grafx issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 34.16 FPS (must have Fast Blitter = on, playable)X

Flash Back
Lr-Mess : Grafx issue, sound issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 59 FPS (almost full speed, playable) X

Flip Out!
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : Black screen (not playable)

Gorf 2000
Lr-Mess : screen freeze after 10 sec.
Lr- virtualjaguar : 59.6 FPS (almost full speed, No sound)

Hover Strike
Lr-Mess : Grafx issue, sound issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 39.4 FPS (Grafx issues with Fast Blitter = on but essential to play, It's not really playable with a good experience) X

Hyper Force
Lr-Mess : 39 FPS (slow, almost playable.. maybe) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : (Black screen after option menu)

I War
Lr-Mess : Grafx issue, (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 17 FPS (Grafx issues with Fast Blitter = on,very slow, It's not really playable with a good experience) X

Iron Soldier
Lr-Mess : Black screen when game starts, (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : Black screen when game starts, (not playable)

Iron Soldier 2
Lr-Mess : Black screen when game starts, (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : Black screen when game starts, (not playable)

Jack Nicklaus Cyber Golf
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : Black screen (not playable)

Kasumi Ninja
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 27.73 FPS (PAL = on, Fast Blitter = on, very slow, not really playable) X

Memtrack
Lr-Mess : grafx issues (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : won't load properly (not playable)

Missile command 3D
Lr-Mess : grafx issues (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 29.68 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, choppy sound, slow, playable) X

NBA JAM Tournament Edition
Lr-Mess : major sound issues, screen issues (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 39.77 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, choppy sound, slow, playable) X

Phase Zero
Lr-Mess : screen freeze (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 18.14 FPS (Fast Blitter = off, choppy sound, very slow) X

Pinball Fantasies
Lr-Mess : 60.2 FPS (no sound, full speed)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 53 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, almost full speed) X

Pitfall
Lr-Mess : game freeze after 20 sec.(not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 34.71 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, slow, not fun to play) X

Plunky Duck in Hollywood
Lr-Mess : game freeze (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : controller issue (not playable)

Power Drive Rally
Lr-Mess : Black screen after 20 sec. in the race (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : shut down after loading (not playable)

Protector: special edition
Lr-Mess : Won't load (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : 46.6 FPS, Fast Blitter = on, sound little bit choppy (playable)X

Raiden
Lr-Mess : 59.9 FPS (full speed) X
Lr- virtualjaguar: 58.2 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, full speed, sound less perfect than lr-Mess )

Rayman
Lr-Mess : 60.07 FPS (almost full speed, No sound)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 59.01 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, full speed ) X

Ruiner Pinball
Lr-Mess : black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: black screen (not playable)

Sensible Soccer: International Edition
Lr-Mess : 60.2 FPS (Full speed) X
Lr- virtualjaguar: 59.05 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, Full speed)

Sky Hammer
Lr-Mess : Black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 34.7 FPS Black screen, Freeze after 20 seconds (not playable)

Soccer Kid
Lr-Mess : It loads but It stops on the options menu
Lr- virtualjaguar : 58 FPS (Fast Blitter = on,almost full speed ) X

Space War 2000
Lr-Mess : Freeze, grafx issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 53.09 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, playable) X

Super Burnout
Lr-Mess : (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: black screen (not playable)

Super Cross
Lr-Mess : black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 59 FPS, (Fast Blitter = on, playable) X

Syndicate
Lr-Mess : 60.26 FPS (Full speed) X
Lr- virtualjaguar: 44.83 FPS, (Fast Blitter = off, playable)

Tempest 2000
Lr-Mess : 46.5 FPS (choppy sound, playable) X
Lr- virtualjaguar: 31.95 FPS, (Fast Blitter = on, playable, soundtrack issue, playable)

Theme Park
Lr-Mess : controller issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 48.93 FPS, (Fast Blitter = on, no soundtrack, playable) X

Tiny Toon
Lr-Mess : grafx issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 59.45 FPS, (Fast Blitter = on, no sound, half screen, not really playable) X

Total Carnage
Lr-Mess : grafx issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 38.67 FPS, (Fast Blitter = on, the sound is a bit choppy , playable) X

Towers II
Lr-Mess : controller issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: Grafx issue (not playable)

Trevor McFur in the Crescent Galaxy
Lr-Mess : Grafx issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 58.1 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, almost full speed) X

Troy Aikman Football
Lr-Mess : 60 FPS (full speed) X
Lr- virtualjaguar: 58.27 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, almost full speed)

Ultrabrain
Lr-Mess : black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: black screen (not playable)

Ultra Vortex
Lr-Mess : black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 59.12 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, full speed) X

Val d'Isère: Skiing and Snowboarding
Lr-Mess : grafx issue (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 24.33 FPS (PAL = on, Fast Blitter = on, slow, playable) X

White man can't jump
Lr-Mess : black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: black screen (not playable)

Wolfeinstein 3D
Lr-Mess : black screen (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 34 FPS ( Fast Blitter = on, playable) X

Worms
Lr-Mess : 60 FPS (full speed) X
Lr- virtualjaguar: 59 FPS (full speed)

Zero 5
Lr-Mess : 56 FPS (no sound, almost full speed)
Lr- virtualjaguar: 53 FPS ( almost full speed) X

Zool 2
Lr-Mess : 53.04 FPS (playable) X
Lr- virtualjaguar : 38.67 FPS (Fast Blitter = on, playable but slower)

Zoop!
Lr-Mess : don't load (not playable)
Lr- virtualjaguar : black screen (not playable)

No prototype

New Edit : With Pi 5, Lr- virtualjaguar works very well for some games . Major performance gain !

AdamBeGood

@DTEAM I think I'll be installing lr-mess tomorrow then! Results look good.

zerojay

@DTEAM Considering there isn't a whole ton of games in the Jaguar library, it would be really awesome if you would consider doing the same thing for the rest of the games too.

AdamBeGood

Can I set up lr-mess as an additional emulator within atarijaguar, or does it have to be in a new jaguar directory as described in the linked thread?

I've got it set up so that I can open my Jaguar games with lr-mess, and I've put bioses within roms/atarijaguar but games are not opening as yet.

The RunCommand isn't very descriptive:

Parameters: 
Executing: /opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch -L /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so --config /opt/retropie/configs/atarijaguar/retroarch.cfg "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/atarijaguar/Alien vs Predator (World).j64" --appendconfig /dev/shm/retroarch.cfg

Maybe the BIOSes are just not the ones, I don't know if the system would get further if that was the reason... Or these hash files I see mentioned, do they come with the lr-mess install or do I need to seek them out?

zerojay

@AdamBeGood said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

Can I set up lr-mess as an additional emulator within atarijaguar, or does it have to be in a new jaguar directory as described in the linked thread?

Hi. I wanted to do the same thing myself, so I made the change locally and never ended up uploading it anywhere. It's now in RetroPie-Extra, so if you use it, you can safely use the same ROM directory for both lr-mess-jaguar and lr-virtualjaguar.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zerojay/RetroPie-Extra/master/scriptmodules/libretrocores/lr-mess-jaguar.sh

AdamBeGood

@zerojay said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

@AdamBeGood said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

Can I set up lr-mess as an additional emulator within atarijaguar, or does it have to be in a new jaguar directory as described in the linked thread?

Hi. I wanted to do the same thing myself, so I made the change locally and never ended up uploading it anywhere. It's now in RetroPie-Extra, so if you use it, you can safely use the same ROM directory for both lr-mess-jaguar and lr-virtualjaguar.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zerojay/RetroPie-Extra/master/scriptmodules/libretrocores/lr-mess-jaguar.sh

Okay, that installed well. Thank you!

The additional information says the games need to be .zip, for some reason all mine are .j64. I guess I need to remedy that before I get anywhere with this.

zerojay

@AdamBeGood Try it anyways.

AdamBeGood

@zerojay said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

@AdamBeGood Try it anyways.

Yeah, I have done. Ever the optimist!

Didn't work, but then I don't know if that is to do with the three BIOS I have in my roms/atarijaguar directory or the .zip/.j64 issue. A bit of experimentation is required I guess.

Although does the below suggest that lr-mess wasn't set up correctly? I installed it from Source.

Parameters: 
Executing: /home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh /opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so /opt/retropie/configs/atarijaguar/retroarch.cfg atarijaguar /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS -cart "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/atarijaguar/Bubsy in Fractured Furry Tales (World).j64" --appendconfig /dev/shm/retroarch.cfg
/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh: line 1264: /home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh: No such file or directory

zerojay

@AdamBeGood said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

@zerojay said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

@AdamBeGood Try it anyways.

Yeah, I have done. Ever the optimist!

Didn't work, but then I don't know if that is to do with the three BIOS I have in my roms/atarijaguar directory or the .zip/.j64 issue. A bit of experimentation is required I guess.

Although does the below suggest that lr-mess wasn't set up correctly? I installed it from Source.
Parameters: 
Executing: /home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh /opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so /opt/retropie/configs/atarijaguar/retroarch.cfg atarijaguar /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS -cart "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/atarijaguar/Bubsy in Fractured Furry Tales (World).j64" --appendconfig /dev/shm/retroarch.cfg
/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh: line 1264: /home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh: No such file or directory

Follow this: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/25576/new-scriptmodules-lr-vice-xvic-gsplus-proper-lr-mess-integration/4?_=1601438647362

AdamBeGood

@zerojay said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

@AdamBeGood said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:
@zerojay said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

@AdamBeGood Try it anyways.

Yeah, I have done. Ever the optimist!

Didn't work, but then I don't know if that is to do with the three BIOS I have in my roms/atarijaguar directory or the .zip/.j64 issue. A bit of experimentation is required I guess.

Although does the below suggest that lr-mess wasn't set up correctly? I installed it from Source.
Parameters: 
Executing: /home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh /opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so /opt/retropie/configs/atarijaguar/retroarch.cfg atarijaguar /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS -cart "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/atarijaguar/Bubsy in Fractured Furry Tales (World).j64" --appendconfig /dev/shm/retroarch.cfg
/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh: line 1264: /home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh: No such file or directory
Follow this: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/25576/new-scriptmodules-lr-vice-xvic-gsplus-proper-lr-mess-integration/4?_=1601438647362

I can't suss out which part I need to do here, I've installed lr-mess and then your lr-mess-jaguar is essentially the fake core isn't it?

Is the problem that I didn't use valerino's version of lr-mess in the first place? Is that what I need to look into?

Scout53

@AdamBeGood I was referring to in general yes, thanks, and @DTEAM that's great. I'll need to 'mess' around with lr-mess when i get a chance.

DTEAM

To install (manually) a system like Jaguar with Lr-mess, fallow this thread:
https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/22600/how-to-emulate-bally-astrocade-vtech-creativision-and-emerson-arcadia-2001-in-lr-mess

Download mame0225s.exe on https://www.mamedev.org/release.html , installe It and go in "hash" folder to get jaguar.xml file.
To run Lr-Mess, you need to match the names of your roms with the list in the hash folder (jaguar.xml). Copy that file (jaguar.xml) and paste It in

/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame/hash/

BIOSes are

jaguarboot.zip
jaguar.zip
jaguarcd.zip

Copy those Bios in the main rom folder, not bios folder.
/home/pi/RetroPie/roms

Now Create your system:

In /opt/retropie/configs/jaguar

emulators.cfg

lr-virtualjaguar = "/opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch -L /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-virtualjaguar/virtualjaguar_libretro.so --config /opt/retropie/configs/jaguar/retroarch.cfg %ROM%"
lr-mess = "/opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch -L /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so --config /opt/retropie/configs/jaguar/retroarch.cfg %ROM%"
default = "lr-mess"

retroarch.cfg

# Settings made here will only override settings in the global retroarch.cfg if placed above the #include line

input_remapping_directory = "/opt/retropie/configs/jaguar/"

#include "/opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch.cfg"

in /opt/retropie/configs/all

platforms.cfg

jaguar_exts=".j64 .jag .zip"
jaguar_fullname="Atari Jaguar"

in /opt/retropie/configs/all/emulationstation

es_systems.cfg

   <system>
    <name>jaguar</name>
    <fullname>Atari Jaguar</fullname>
    <path>/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/jaguar</path>
    <extension>.j64 .jag .zip .J64 .JAG .ZIP</extension>
    <command>/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh 0 _SYS_ jaguar %ROM%</command>
    <platform>jaguar</platform>
    <theme>atarijaguar</theme>
  </system>

Scout53

@DTEAM this is amazing thank you so much.

DTEAM

For Jaguar with Lr-Mess , you must set the Lr-mess deadzone for D-Pad(ex: for AVP)
and to adjust the sound.
It seems to create some sound problems and control problems for some games

zerojay

@DTEAM said in Calling Pi 4 Atari Jaguar Fans:

For Jaguar with Lr-Mess , you must set the Lr-mess deadzone (ex: for AVP)
and to adjust the sound.
It seems to create some sound problems and control problems for some games

Jaguar doesn't have analog input so I don't see why you would need to set a deadzone? I haven't and everything seems fine?

DTEAM

@zerojay

It's maybe similar to the mouse problem with CD-I

For some games. Everything go to right and down without touching controller

In PVA (predator vs alien), the character move alone and when I play with deadzone , It stop.

In Double Dragon V. We don't have the main combat game soundtrack. When I push start (pause) and after (not in same time) push B or A to access volume control in the game, the volume go down alone.

For CD-I,I enabled the mouse to fixed the movement problem, I'll see If It create the problem for Jaguar

DTEAM

In /opt/retropie/configs/all

retroarch-core-options.cfg
My setup

mame_current_frame_skip = "1"

In the retroach menu Main menu/settings/Input/
The Analog Sensitivity must be fix at 0.3
With that, the controllers issues are fixed. Forget about what I said for deadzone.

For now, No solution for sound in some games

AdamBeGood

I am getting this output on RunCommand now: https://pastebin.com/SrmvBbK0

202.[libretro INFO] ARGUV[0]=atarijaguar
203.[libretro WARN] Driver atarijaguar not found -1
204.[libretro WARN] Game not found: alien vs predator (world)
205.[libretro INFO] RES:-2

Does this suggest my BIOS is at fault? I am unsure about the game name issue, as I think I have that right as per the Hash file in the Mame directory.

If anyone can quickly diagnose this, thank you. Otherwise, don't worry - I can stick with virtualjaguar.

DTEAM

your system must be named jaguar and not atarijaguar. Lr-mess is really picky with machines names.

See my post above for es_systems.cfg and others

see : http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/dettaglio_mame.php?game_name=jaguar&arcade_only=0&autosearch=1&lang=en

for quick machine info with MAME/ Mess