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    (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?

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      Gamesman
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      I get a weird folder for the Symlink of .daphne/singe:
      singe_folder.JPG

      The Symlink for .daphne/pics is fine:
      pics_folder.JPG

      If I try to open the .daphne/singe/singe folder I get this error:
      singe_error.JPG

      The Symlinks for pics and sound go to their respective Symlink folders.

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      • SaturnXS
        SaturnX @Gamesman
        last edited by

        @Gamesman

        In my instructions, /home/pi/.daphne/singe should symlink to /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe

        Did you create the new singe directory under your Daphne roms folder before creating the symlink?

        You’ll need to remove the symlink you created and recreate. Did you use the commands in my post?

        Let me know!

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          Gamesman @SaturnX
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          @saturnx

          I typed it how you had it:
          sudo ln -s /home/pi/retropie/roms/daphne/singe /home/pi/.daphne/singe

          Then I realized it should have been:
          sudo ln -s /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe /home/pi/.daphne/singe

          Case sensitive Linux.

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            Gamesman
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            The other thing I am confused about are these:

            /home/pi/retropie/roms/daphne/singe/timegal/timegal.singe
            /home/pi/retropie/roms/daphne/singe/timegal/timegal.txt

            Are you guys using the files from https://kangaroopunch.com/?page=Software/3000-2006-singe.xjs or something else?

            timegal.JPG
            This is what I have at the moment.

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            • SaturnXS
              SaturnX @Gamesman
              last edited by

              @gamesman

              Ah thanks! Yeah I’ll correct that.

              Thanks!

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                Gamesman @SaturnX
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                @saturnx

                I can not seem to get it working after the fix. I am doing something wrong.

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                  DirtBagXon @Gamesman
                  last edited by DirtBagXon

                  @gamesman said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                  The other thing I am confused about are these:

                  /home/pi/retropie/roms/daphne/singe/timegal/timegal.singe
                  /home/pi/retropie/roms/daphne/singe/timegal/timegal.txt

                  Are you guys using the files from https://kangaroopunch.com/?page=Software/3000-2006-singe.xjs or something else?

                  timegal.JPG
                  This is what I have at the moment.

                  The files linked on kangaroopunch, actually on archive.org, are for SInge V2 with updated and different video, overlays and singe files that won't work on V1.

                  The original TimeGal (for Singe V1) directory should have something like the following (Not certain of the legal situation on posting links to game data as these games are now on archive.org):

                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        432 Oct  3  2010 action.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        427 Oct  3  2010 arrowdown.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        478 Oct  3  2010 arrowleft.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        450 Oct  3  2010 arrowright.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        436 Oct  3  2010 arrowup.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      56040 Sep 26  2010 blip.wav
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        454 Oct  3  2010 button.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        338 Oct  6  2010 credit.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi     140588 Oct  5  2010 credit.wav
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        386 Oct  6  2010 freeplay.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        280 Oct  6  2010 gal.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        436 Oct  6  2010 getready.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        435 Oct  6  2010 insertcoin.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      18332 Sep 22  2001 LICENSE.TXT
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        436 Nov 17  2010 line100.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        434 Nov 17  2010 line101.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        468 Nov 17  2010 line102.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        389 Nov 17  2010 line103.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        411 Nov 17  2010 line104.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        484 Nov 17  2010 line105.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        536 Nov 17  2010 line106.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        557 Nov 17  2010 line107.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        351 Nov 17  2010 line108.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        543 Nov 17  2010 line109.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        463 Nov 17  2010 line110.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        467 Nov 17  2010 line111.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        473 Nov 17  2010 line112.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        469 Nov 17  2010 line113.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        389 Nov 17  2010 line114.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        519 Nov 17  2010 line115.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        548 Nov 17  2010 line116.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        316 Nov 17  2010 line117.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        534 Oct  6  2010 line1.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        435 Oct  6  2010 line2.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        423 Oct  6  2010 line3.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        497 Oct  6  2010 line4.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        416 Oct  6  2010 line5.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        511 Nov 10  2010 line6.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        229 Oct  6  2010 num00.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        212 Oct  6  2010 num01.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        227 Oct  6  2010 num02.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        230 Oct  6  2010 num03.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        227 Oct  6  2010 num04.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        228 Oct  6  2010 num05.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        228 Oct  6  2010 num06.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        225 Oct  6  2010 num07.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        234 Oct  6  2010 num08.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        229 Oct  6  2010 num09.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        355 Oct  6  2010 player1.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      19900 Nov 16  2001 presstart.ttf
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        417 Dec 31  2010 question.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      88188 Sep  1  2010 right.wav
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      65580 Sep 26  2010 ring01.wav
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      63916 Sep 26  2010 ring02.wav
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        383 Oct  3  2010 selarrow.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      28844 Oct  1  2010 select.wav
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi     166780 Sep 26  2010 teedo.wav
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        220 Nov  1 00:50 timegal.cfg
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi 2019095151 Dec 21  2010 timegal.m2v
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi   38863289 Dec 21  2010 timegal.ogg
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi     186513 Oct 29 12:02 timegal.singe
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi         18 Dec  9  2010 timegal.txt
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi        392 Oct  6  2010 topscore.png
                  -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi      89512 Sep 26  2010 wrong.wav
                  

                  Hypseus Singe for RetroPie: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus-singe
                  Hypseus Singe Games: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus_singe_data
                  Hypseus Discord: https://discord.gg/dgCsCfmRfJ

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                  • SaturnXS
                    SaturnX @DirtBagXon
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                    @dirtbagxon @Gamesman

                    Yep - my file structure looks just like the one @DirtBagXon has listed above and works great.

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                      Gamesman @DirtBagXon
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                      @dirtbagxon
                      I have those files now in the timegal folder. On my RP4 when I goto cd /opt/retropie/emulators/singe and run ./run.sh, the only game available is singe.
                      singe.JPG
                      This is the directory. I did everything SaturnX had in his guide. Am I missing something??

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                      • SaturnXS
                        SaturnX @Gamesman
                        last edited by SaturnX

                        @gamesman

                        So your /opt/retropie/emulators/singe directory looks good (this is where the emulator is compiled)

                        Are you TimeGal files in the following location?

                        /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe/timegal?

                        and for example, you have the following files:

                        /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe/timegal/timegal.singe and;
                        /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe/timegal/timegal.txt

                        Please do the following - ssh/quit to to terminal and:

                        cd /home/pi/.daphne
                        ls -al
                        

                        And provide the output here. Since you say when you execute ./run.sh from /opt/retropie/emulators/singe you're not seeing timegal, that means that your symlinks are not correct for the rom/game file location. By defaut, the singe emulator will look for games in the following location /home/pi/.daphne/singe/[game] and the purpose of the symlink is to move where it looks into the standard roms directory as a sub directory of Daphne.

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                          Gamesman @SaturnX
                          last edited by

                          @saturnx
                          TimeGal files are in the right folder:
                          singe.JPG

                          20210228_1.jpg
                          This is what I get with ls -al.

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                            SaturnX @Gamesman
                            last edited by SaturnX

                            @gamesman Yeah, I can see the problem, the symlinks are not set up correctly.

                            The only symlink that's correctly setup is the one from singeinput.ini you can see that in your screenshot:

                            singeinput.ini -> /opt/retropie/configs/daphne/singeinput.ini
                            

                            However, pics, sound, and singe are not linked.

                            Can you tell me if the pics, sound, and singe directories are empty? If they are, you should do the following:

                            NOTE: The instructions below include removing files/directories, make sure you're in the right location when issuing commands

                            1. Remove the directories
                            cd /home/pi/.daphne
                            rmdir pics
                            rmdir sound
                            rmdir singe
                            
                            1. Then create the proper symlinks:
                            sudo ln -s /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/pics /home/pi/.daphne/pics
                            sudo ln -s /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/sound /home/pi/.daphne/sound
                            sudo ln -s /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe /home/pi/.daphne/singe
                            

                            If the directories are not empty, then you likely copied, instead of symlinked the directories from /opt/retropie/emulators/

                            If this is the case, then I'd recommend the following:

                            1. Make sure /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/pics and /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/sound have the expected files in them

                            2. Remove the existing folders and contents

                            cd /home/pi/.daphne
                            rm -r pics
                            rm -r sound
                            rm -r singe
                            
                            1. Create symlinks:
                            sudo ln -s /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/pics /home/pi/.daphne/pics
                            sudo ln -s /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/sound /home/pi/.daphne/sound
                            sudo ln -s /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe /home/pi/.daphne/singe
                            

                            Let me know how it plays out. In the end what you should see if everything is setup properly when running ls -al in /home/pi/.daphne/ is the following: (view of my system)

                            drwxr-xr-x  4 pi pi 4096 Feb 25 11:34 .
                            drwxr-xr-x 10 pi pi 4096 Feb 26 16:14 ..
                            -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi 4073 Feb 25 11:44 daphne_log.txt
                            drwxr-xr-x  2 pi pi 4096 Feb  8 21:04 games
                            lrwxrwxrwx  1 pi pi   35 Feb  8 21:02 pics -> /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/pics/
                            drwxr-xr-x  2 pi pi 4096 Feb  8 21:04 screenshots
                            lrwxrwxrwx  1 pi pi   36 Feb  8 21:03 singe -> /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/daphne/singe/
                            lrwxrwxrwx  1 pi pi   43 Feb  8 21:06 singeinput.ini -> /opt/retropie/configs/daphne/singeinput.ini
                            lrwxrwxrwx  1 pi pi   36 Feb  8 21:02 sound -> /opt/retropie/emulators/singe/sound/
                            
                            

                            Good luck!

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                              Gamesman @SaturnX
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                              @saturnx

                              That worked. I had to do the second choice. I believe what happened is when I followed this from the beginning and installed Singe, I copied the sound, pics, and singe folders like it originally said. When you put up your guide and I went through it, it was trying to install over the original installation folders. After removing the existing folders and creating the symlinks it worked. Thank you for the help.

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                                Gamesman @AdamBeGood
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                                @adambegood said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                                Further Edit: I manually amended the X and Y values in the run.sh

                                What did you amend the X and Y values too in order for them to work? I have the same screen issue you did.

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                                  DirtBagXon @Gamesman
                                  last edited by DirtBagXon

                                  @gamesman said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                                  @adambegood said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                                  Further Edit: I manually amended the X and Y values in the run.sh

                                  What did you amend the X and Y values too in order for them to work? I have the same screen issue you did.

                                  You would need to alter the X and Y values in run.sh to the resolution of your screen.

                                  However there may be an alternate auto-scaling change you can make, using -fullscreen_window as detailed here:

                                  https://retropie.org.uk/forum/post/252983

                                   

                                  Hypseus Singe for RetroPie: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus-singe
                                  Hypseus Singe Games: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus_singe_data
                                  Hypseus Discord: https://discord.gg/dgCsCfmRfJ

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                                    AdamBeGood @Gamesman
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                                    @gamesman said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                                    @adambegood said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                                    Further Edit: I manually amended the X and Y values in the run.sh

                                    What did you amend the X and Y values too in order for them to work? I have the same screen issue you did.

                                    1920 and 1080 for my screen. :)

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                                    • SaturnXS
                                      SaturnX @DirtBagXon
                                      last edited by SaturnX

                                      @dirtbagxon

                                      So I’ve been experimenting with the full KMS video driver on my Pi4 to address some of the screen tearing issues that we see on the Pi4 due to the “fake KMS” driver.

                                      While it works great with RetroArch - it breaks any SDL1 based emulators (daphne, singe, dosbox, openbor, fuse, etc..).

                                      Given that the full KMS driver is the future and that development has ceased on the “fake KMS” driver - any idea on whether it would be possible to port singe to SDL2?

                                      I’d be happy to support/test any way I can!

                                      And as a side note - since this also breaks Daphe the same also applies. I’d love to see it made “future friendly” by migrating it over to SDL2.

                                      For reference, SDL has published a migration guide.
                                      https://wiki.libsdl.org/MigrationGuide

                                      Thoughts?

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                                      • DirtBagXonD
                                        DirtBagXon @SaturnX
                                        last edited by DirtBagXon

                                        @saturnx said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                                        @dirtbagxon

                                        So I’ve been experimenting with the full KMS video driver on my Pi4 to address some of the screen tearing issues that we see on the Pi4 due to the “fake KMS” driver.

                                        While it works great with RetroArch - it breaks any SDL1 based emulators (daphne, singe, dosbox, openbor, fuse, etc..).

                                        Given that the full KMS driver is the future and that development has ceased on the “fake KMS” driver - any idea on whether it would be possible to port singe to SDL2?

                                        I’d be happy to support/test any way I can!

                                        And as a side note - since this also breaks Daphe the same also applies. I’d love to see it made “future friendly” by migrating it over to SDL2.

                                        For reference, SDL has published a migration guide.
                                        https://wiki.libsdl.org/MigrationGuide

                                        Thoughts?

                                        Heya @saturnx,

                                        I have thought about tackling this a few times, but I just don't have the spare time to undertake it at the moment. It looks to be a non-trivial task. And to be honest, the interest in the projects is fairly small looking at the github stats.

                                        https://github.com/libretro/daphne - Has tackled the move to SDL2 but seems to have several issues, including a major audio bug, plus no one seems to be developing it any longer.

                                        I also looked at Hypseus a while ago, which also had ported Daphne to SDL2 but seemed to have a lack in documentation. However, I just noticed that Jeffrey Clark seems to have picked up on developing it again this year. So it may be worth poking around his repo:   https://github.com/btolab/hypseus

                                        As far as future-proofing Singe is concerned, I think Singe V2 has that route covered :)

                                        I initially started both my Daphne and Singe repos for 64bit Ubuntu desktops* after re-discovering Dragons Lair  et al. Finding that all the available versions, at that time, had issues and wouldn't compile in 64bit land. At the moment with full OpenGL and hardware acceleration it thankfully still works well on this platform....

                                        *Hence, also writing the Daphne/Singe Loader frontends in GTK.

                                        Hypseus Singe for RetroPie: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus-singe
                                        Hypseus Singe Games: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus_singe_data
                                        Hypseus Discord: https://discord.gg/dgCsCfmRfJ

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                                          SaturnX @DirtBagXon
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                                          @dirtbagxon Thanks for that update and honestly, thanks for all the effort you've put in so far!

                                          So after I posted my message above, I went ahead and loaded up my Pi4 with my build of RetroPie (4.7.1) that I use for development and testing.

                                          I updated the kernel to the latest LTS that's been pushed (5.10.xx) and switched from the fake KMS driver (vc4-fkms-v3d) to the full KMS driver (vc4-kms-v3d).

                                          As expected daphne failed to load video (but heard sound), however to my surprise, your singe build ran Time Gal and Ninja Hayate just like before!!

                                          I had thought this was tied to SDL1 vs. SDL2, but it appears its tied to the use of dispmanx which isn't supported by KMS. Does your singe build not use dispmanx?

                                          I also just took a look at hypseus and compiled it last night on my Pi4, however no game was even remotely playable either due to freezes/video skips, etc.. Maybe I'm missing something, but the same titles run perfectly under daphne.

                                          I've posted in the other thread about hypseus to see if I can get the conversation going again :)

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                                            DirtBagXon @SaturnX
                                            last edited by DirtBagXon

                                            @saturnx said in (REQUEST) Add Daphne Singe emulator?:

                                            I had thought this was tied to SDL1 vs. SDL2, but it appears its tied to the use of dispmanx which isn't supported by KMS. Does your singe build not use dispmanx?

                                            It only uses GL and SDL. As I understand it, dispmanx is a poor version of SDL not used very much any more, but seems to be adopted to some degree on RetroPie or RPi in general.

                                             

                                            I also just took a look at hypseus and compiled it last night on my Pi4, however no game was even remotely playable either due to freezes/video skips, etc.. Maybe I'm missing something, but the same titles run perfectly under daphne.

                                            What version of Daphne are you using? The RetroPie build or custom build from DavidGriffith or myself ? These repos are very similar to the Singe repo, so may also work. They have the same fixes in that I put into the underlying Singe repo daphne engine.

                                             

                                            I've posted in the other thread about hypseus to see if I can get the conversation going again :)

                                            Yeah I would like to see that up and working too, maybe it needs some TLC from extra developers to give it a kickstart.

                                            Hypseus Singe for RetroPie: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus-singe
                                            Hypseus Singe Games: https://github.com/DirtBagXon/hypseus_singe_data
                                            Hypseus Discord: https://discord.gg/dgCsCfmRfJ

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