mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

Ashpool

Sorry to bother again [!], and not shure whom i should @ here, @arcadez2003 / @administrators (?).
In regards to the doc-pages for retropie/mame2003-Plus...

Currently cite for the catver.ini is:

The MAME 2003-Plus catver.ini also contains data on games definitively known not to work, as well as sorting data for mature games or other, less desirable, romsets.

I am not a native speaker, but for me it implies that the catver.ini holds the metadata for the working state within the emulation (plainly wrong assumption), but maybe it could also be read as "it also includes genre informations for games known as not working" - the information working state is (AFAIK) part of the mame datfile, not of the catver and I would either like to change that phrasing to a plain definition of the catvers function (assigning genre/subgenre and mature state (and of no relevance in this case, but for younger mame/catver generations additional mame version information) ) or remove the mentioning of the catver from the docs.
Nevertheless, as said, I am not a native speaker and I am not sure whether i missed some meaning of that phrasing ~~and~~, or if not how it could be rephrased into something simpler and short that just implies/states that as the m2k3+ core diviates from the pure mame branch and the catvers (from the progetto-SNAPS page) for a certain mame version can't be matched to it, the projects git page provides its own catver.ini to supplement this core.

Riverstorm

@Ashpool - It might be just misreading it. The word 'definitively' isn't really required to make the point but it does let you know what is written is absolutely correct, without doubts. Pretty much by definition. I suppose you could use 'definitely' vs 'definitively' but they are kind of different. Similarities with two different uses.

It's just saying some entries exist that aren't part of the working set or basically extraneous entries. I think you're saying the same thing but it sure can't hurt to make the verbiage more clear if the doc folks feel the same.

"it also includes genre informations for games known as not working"

I think you need to make information(s) singular and I would change it to something like this:

"It also includes genre information for games known to not work."

You could also drop 'genre' implying the subject is the catver.ini if it's been mentioned previously or is the section heading, etc.

"It also includes information for games that do not work."

but that might be to close to what was originally written or by inserting definitively again.

"It also includes information for games that definitively do not work."

There's definitely more than one way to skin a cat on this one! ;) Regional dialect can dictate the verbiage. I think you can have a lot of fun with it honestly but I'm not sure who maintains the docs.

Riverstorm

@Ashpool - Another option is to post on the Github web page where you been submitting the catver.ini updates as they will get it more quickly or at least will reply more quickly I think.

Ashpool

@Riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

The word 'definitively' isn't really required to make the point

Yup, I think you nailed the point of my confusion and I may consider asking/talking about it on the git-rep as you suggested in your 2nd reply (Here in my region the schools holidays (for my/our kid) just started, so I have some time to sleep over it ;]).

P.S.: And be it just because it then boils simply down to the fact that the docs statement, as it is now, is true (canon/lore) for all catvers/catlists (why even mention it then [edit: for a particular core]?) and doesn't explain why there [may be]&|[is] a need for a separate catlist for mame2k3+ with its state of being based on mame .78, but incorporating fixes/additions from/for later versions [1] and that therefore none of the regular catvers for mame can truly match the roms listed in the xml/ini for this core.

[Edit:]
1: and even incorporating homebrews/one homebrew available for purchase ["hypernoid"], which (of purpose?) are/is not included in the official mamedev branch, and so far unknown to the latest catvers for mame [AFAIK for now].

arcadez2003

We're still dabbling with this core now and again and as a result you can play three more games one of which cant be played in current MAME.....

Deroon DeroDero

Just a Puzzler but alotta folks like this one and the music is kinda funky

Toukidenshou - Angel Eyes

Decent fighter this one as you'd expect from TECMO

Top Driving

World Rally Clone there were many of those but this is a decent wee game in it's own right

barbudreadmon

@arcadez2003 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

exclusive to MAME2003+ for now

Actually, iq132 wrote a FBNeo driver for it a few days ago.

arcadez2003

@barbudreadmon said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

@arcadez2003 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

exclusive to MAME2003+ for now

Actually, iq132 wrote a FBNeo driver for it a few days ago.

Yeah your right i forgot about that and as a result i've edited my original post to reflect that :)

arcadez2003

Here's a handy addition for MAME2003+ a new version of Dogyuun which means for the first time the game will have full sound and music in this core

Dogyuun (8/25/1992 location test)

Enjoy

arcadez2003

Just a headsup you can now play this game using MAME2003+

Clockwork Aquario

WeirdH

Don't know if this is the right place for a bug report of sorts, but it seems the P2 start button isn't working on my tinklpit in M3+. Can anyone confirm / is it even something fixable?

arcadez2003

@WeirdH said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

Don't know if this is the right place for a bug report of sorts, but it seems the P2 start button isn't working on my tinklpit in M3+. Can anyone confirm / is it even something fixable?

Thanks for the bug report a fix is on the way

arcadez2003

Just a headsup following on from the recent work to get Clockwork Aquario up and running both of these are now playable using MAME2003+

DD Crew

You'll need to build a romset which uses decrypted roms for ddcrew similar to some other Sega games eg Turbo Outrun ect ect

Hammer Away

Rare Sega / Santos System 18 prototype which turned up several years back only two pcb's were known to exist

Clyde

@arcadez2003 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:

You'll need to build a romset which uses decrypted roms for ddcrew similar to some other Sega games eg Turbo Outrun ect ect

Dumb questions: Will the dat file take care of that, i.e. are the decrypted rom files recognizably different from the encrypted ones for a romset builder like clrmempro? If not, how can I know myself which romfiles are decrypted?

Rare Sega / Santos System 18 prototype which turned up several years back only two pcb's were known to exist

I just love the retro scene for things like this. ❤️

arcadez2003

@Clyde Sure a romdat will help in this regard but here is a hint use the original ddcrew set from MAME78 then all you need to do
is simply add the decrypted main cpu roms from the latest ddcrewud set and bingo your up and runnng

Good luck

Clyde

@arcadez2003 I'll try that. Thanks!

Ashpool

@arcadez2003 just noticed that among Top Roller and Buccaneers (set1) (& set 2) a Neo Geo Rom titled cyborgforce was added. I Guess that it relates to the 2023 Cyborg Force from Neo Byte Force?

(as it is missing from current mames database/catver I will include it in m2k3+ catver as "Platform / Shooter Scrolling" for now)

arcadez2003

@Ashpool Sorry for the late reply yeah i added support for Cyborg Force which is the very same game you mentioned above

Regards

arcadez2003

Just a heads up you can now play this Sega classic using MAME2003+

Thunder Blade

Plus there have been many graphical and emulation improvements for the Sega System 32 titles games like.....

Alien3: The Gun
Arabian Fight
Golden Axe - The Revenge of Death Adder
Jurassic Park
Outrunners
Segasonic the Hedgehog
Spider-Man: The Videogame
Stadium Cross

Give em a whirl and you'll see the difference Oh and this one now works also

Slip Stream

Great racer this one and a Capcom game running on Sega hardware you dont see that often :)

arcadez2003

And another by Sega which can now be played in 2003+

A B COP