Shop selling retropie
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@PetroRie said in Shop selling retropie:
Its not I'm laughing in a way to mock you or make fun of you, but how you wrote it that was funny.
I'm just glad you weren't laughing at my haircut. I can't really pull off bangs, but the stylist was very persuasive.
fighting piracy online is kinda a waste of time in my opinion.
It's a waste of time in the sense that it's a battle that that can absolutely never be won. However, it's never a completely pointless endeavor to protect a form property, even if it's only done out of a matter of principal. I just find it endlessly hilarious that a guy can slap a sheriff's hat and a pair of boots on his website and make tens of thousands of dollars by writing a take down notice that most companies would relegate to an automated process. Also, in my head, I like to believe that he phonetically spells out his demands with a thick southern Texas accent and signs off with a hardy "YeeHaaw!".
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@mediamogul Well, he could use some new mottos "let's make the internet great again!", "we're going to build a protective wall around the internet and pirates are gonna pay for it", "the pirates are f***ng our economy over and over", "your internet subscription IS FIRED", "The pirates are coming and they are taking over our jobs!", "Piracy has screwed our economy", "DRAIN THE INTERNET!" lol.
They spend so much money on these anti piracy campaigns while they get nothing out from it. We has some local politicians who did the same, lawsuits, changing laws. They sued my ISP a couple times because they did not want to hand out customer info. Couple months later they changed everything how it was. The laws they changed reverted back etc. Spending my tax money on such stupid "issues".
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@PetroRie said in Shop selling retropie:
The laws they changed reverted back etc. Spending my tax money on such stupid "issues".
I hear you. Several years ago, my state issued license plates depicting the wrong species as our state bird. They then decided to make it up to us by issuing high quality stickers with the correct bird to everyone by mail that could be placed over their mistake at the further expense of taxpayer dollars. I can only think that the lesson from all this is that sometimes good comedy aint cheap.
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1000% funded means they got 10x the amount of their initial goal. For instance if they have a goal for the project set at 1,000 USD, and people fund it to 10,000 USD they are 1000% funded, compared to their original goal amount. 5,000 USD would be 500% of their original goal.
Early Birds, not bids. Early Bird specials are when the first, so many people get a special deal. So for example the first 50 people get it $10 cheaper than every one else. This is a common marketing practice with online campaigns like this.
Anyway I do agree with the sentiment which is that marketplaces should do a better job to remove these kind of pre-loaded systems. In fact Kodi is going through the same thing with people pre-loading it on devices with plugins (for stealing movies/TV) and selling them.
Maybe the 2 groups can team up and hire a lawyer to try and get these taken down, or at least removed from Google results so they are harder to find.
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@bjd223 Oh yeah I see it now, birds not bids lol epic fail moment. It's true what you said I've seen boxes for sell with pre loaded Kodi plugins etc. I've seen it it local stores too.
How long would a lawsuit like that take? And who would you even target, there are just so many individuals selling preloaded systems with illegal contents.
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@PetroRie I'm not sure what the best approach is. I think the issue is that since the software is free, coming up with legal fees is an issue.
If they can get someone to send out copyright notices they could at least get the big storefronts removed in search engines, and stop them from advertising. Which will hopefully impact their sales enough to discourage them from doing it.
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Haha and this is what I saw in my FB feed:
retrostation
ATTENTION: ONLY 24H Left - Get your Early Bird Now!
==> Raised over $500,000
==> As Seen In: NintendoLife, Gizmodo, VentureBeat, Kotaku and more.Kinda funny because its just an orange pi with retropie installed and a custom made in china case. All they have to do is buy the cases and pis in bulk and clone the SD cards. I wonder what they'll do with the rest of the money.
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I saw this post a little while ago and now I have a pi with RetroPie on it, I also see a warning pop up mentioning it as well.
Do you not find it odd you might complain about a copyright issue, whilst enjoying copyrighted games yourself?
Can RetroPie really be upset about people making money off their backs, whilst asking for money themselves for their program designed to enable people to rip off game developers? -
@jez888 we do not sell retropie. Nor do we ship with copyrighted games. We don't condone piracy. What users do with their software in their countries is their own prerogative. It's completely different.
As far as video game developers go. Name me one developer who is still taking in royalties from the game they developed 20+ years ago that is still being sold on the market today.
If you read the documentation it will answer 99% of your questions: https://retropie.org.uk/docs/
Also if you want a solution to your problems read this first: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first
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@herb_fargus said in Shop selling retropie:
Name me one developer who is still taking in royalties from the game they developed 20+ years ago that is still being sold on the market today.
You make an excellent point, but
actually does come to mind. I've always been impressed with both Digital Leisure and the Daphne team for finding an amicable way to coexist without the need for a law suit. As a result, his games can be played legally right here in RetroPie, so long as you've also purchased an official copy. -
@mediamogul yeah I actually lived in the same town as the Daphne dev for a while, had a chat with him before we included Daphne. I respect what he does.
I also have to appreciate Sega's approach to ROMs (where they are selling ROMs through steam for use on emulators)
The issue here really isn't the so called piracy, it's the companies not providing a platform for accessing games. I have no doubt the majority of people would pay for ROMs if they could
If you read the documentation it will answer 99% of your questions: https://retropie.org.uk/docs/
Also if you want a solution to your problems read this first: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first
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@herb_fargus said in Shop selling retropie:
I have no doubt the majority of people would pay for ROMs if they could
Looking at Apple and Amazon's extraordinary success in selling digital music alongside official gaming outlets like Steam, GOG and the millions of people who are more than willing to keep buying the same classic Nintendo games for whatever the current system is, I think you're right.
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@herb_fargus I didn't say selling, I said asking (donations).
Regardless of people being screwed out of royalties, that doesn't mean copyrights don't mean anything.
"What people do is their prerogative" does not make what I said about RetroPie enabling (I would say almost encouraging) people to breech copyright untrue.
I've got no issue myself with using roms, I just don't think RetroPie can honestly take the high road when it comes to copyright. -
@jez888 said in Shop selling retropie:
"What people do is their prerogative"
You misquoted him there. If you'll look back, he actually said:
What users do with their software in their countries is their own prerogative.
The possibility exists to obtain these ROMs legally depending on where in the world you live. RetroPie isn't enabling piracy just because there are people in the world looking to skirt copyright law and it is perfectly reasonable for them to protect their own intellectual property as they see fit. Anyone can choose go out and buy a CD album, or they can choose to illegally download and burn a copy of that album to a CD. Is SONY or Panasonic encouraging piracy by facilitating the latter option and are they wrong in patenting, copyrighting and protecting the devices the produce?
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@herb_fargus said in Shop selling retropie:
I also have to appreciate Sega's approach to ROMs (where they are selling ROMs through steam for use on emulators)
The issue here really isn't the so called piracy, it's the companies not providing a platform for accessing games. I have no doubt the majority of people would pay for ROMs if they could
I think thats a real valid point. I know many who cannot compete with he likes of eBay etc for genuine hardware. I'm lucky enough to own a boxed SNES with several boxed games, but some of the more popular titles in similar condition are hitting 3 figures plus: I can't afford that. However, if a company was to sell the ROM's that were specific to the likes Retropie (I know its not just that simple, but you know what I mean), you have an opportunity to increase the audience and hook peoples interest in a series (Zelda or even Mario), potentially wanting more (no different to binge watching a TV series).
You'd also reduce the amount of game 'over saturation' within emulation. It's not unusual to see people with game libraries running in to 1000's: no issue with that at all, but you end up getting indecisive and fed up easier, in my opinion. I have 4 systems installed on my Pi, under 30 games. Some of those are ones that I loved playing as a youngster, but some are also ones that I used to pick up and read the boxes of in the shops over and over because I couldn't afford them when I was younger. However, as gaming/tech evolved, often you'd miss out on some masterpieces because the industry picked up pace real quick and your console was superseded. My top two emulators are the Amiga and SNES: i have a mixture of 'had' and 'wanted' games on there, and am really enjoying playing them as if they were new once more. It really adds to the experience in my opinion. If I could buy a ROM that came with a digital manual (manuals are a lost art these days) and restored but original artwork (which I'm trying to do myself), I'd happily part with my hard earned. I don't want mass, I'd rather pay for quality over quantity, and it's that change in mindset that I feel, would make Emulation a more widely accepted port, potentially opening the doors for new customers.
You'll never stop piracy, but if RP was a recognised platform for playing approved purchased ROM's I think that would be a massive step forward and a step in the right direction for the industry.
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@danorak1981 what about this nice shop here
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@retropi19 claims to ship from Russia - I wouldn't hold my breath on anything being done
uk sellers can be reported to Trading Standards and will be shut down
I've been tempted to report others directly to Nintendo or Sony's legal teams
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