mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support
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@thelostsoul said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
@arcadez2003 I appreciate the work you guys doing there. Don't misunderstand me, I was just asking, so I understand how to work with it, as I plan to use -plus in the future. I mostly would like to get rid of two different MAME versions that I currently use, mame2003 and 2010. Is it possible to suggest games which I use in mame2010, to be added in mame2003-plus? Is adding support for a game something like copying some source code or is there more to do, from the developers perspective of -plus (essentially you)?
Depends on what games they are and when exactly they were added to MAME, the code changes with every MAME release and the further the build is ahead from MAME78
the more work is required to actually hook it into our older MAME2003 codebase, none of it just drops in it has to be altered and reworked firstly and not everything in current
MAME is actually backportable either.But feel free to throw out your list of games you'd like to see playable and i'll let ya know if it's possible.
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had a wee shot of ring rage and metal black. Its probably because i played it was i was younger in the arcade but the exciting hour as i called it when i played it seems better than ring rage to me. Ill give it more of a chance at the weekend when im off work. No bother with the two games i tried so far though.
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@arcadez2003 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
Winding down with this core nowadays but i'll still take on the odd fixup should the workload not be to great, as per a tip from @arnoldsecret it turns out a couple of
NeoGeo games were totally broken in MAME2003 while a third had some niggles here and there, the problem was some incorrect code to handle the graphical zoomingHey arcadez2003, love the updates. I might have another suggestion for a NeoGeo game with minor issues: Top Hunter. The game plays fine, but the screen transition into a bonus section seems to run at single digit frame rate. Is it the emulation, or just the Pi that can't handle the effect? (there's a bonus stage very early on, in a tree in the background, if you'd like to see for yourself what I'm talking about)
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@WeirdH said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
@arcadez2003 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
Winding down with this core nowadays but i'll still take on the odd fixup should the workload not be to great, as per a tip from @arnoldsecret it turns out a couple of
NeoGeo games were totally broken in MAME2003 while a third had some niggles here and there, the problem was some incorrect code to handle the graphical zoomingHey arcadez2003, love the updates. I might have another suggestion for a NeoGeo game with minor issues: Top Hunter. The game plays fine, but the screen transition into a bonus section seems to run at single digit frame rate. Is it the emulation, or just the Pi that can't handle the effect? (there's a bonus stage very early on, in a tree in the background, if you'd like to see for yourself what I'm talking about)
This shouldn't happen in MAME2003 as this issue was fixed many builds previously.
0.37b13: Nicola Salmoria fixed NeoGeo raster effects in Top Hunter (waves when entering bonus stages).
Are you using libretro MAME2000.?? which is based off 0.37.b5 and is a few builds before the above fix.
Arcade Addict
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@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
had a wee shot of ring rage and metal black. Its probably because i played it was i was younger in the arcade but the exciting hour as i called it when i played it seems better than ring rage to me. Ill give it more of a chance at the weekend when im off work. No bother with the two games i tried so far though.
Aye not a fan of Ring Rage either, WWF Wrestlefest and Superstars being my goto grappling games.
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Thanks for the updates, I really appreciate the work you put into this. Could you by any chance take a look at Wyvern Wings. The game plays fine, but I have no sound. Thanks :)
Systems: Raspberry Pi 0/2/3 Model B+
Os: RetroPie 4.5
Frontend: Emulationstation & Attract Mode -
@arcadez2003 Hmm, that's odd. It happened on mame2003 and also, though to a lesser extent, on 2003-plus. Running a 3B+ with stock 1400Mhz and Retropie governor set to 'performance'.
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@WeirdH said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
@arcadez2003 Hmm, that's odd. It happened on mame2003 and also, though to a lesser extent, on 2003-plus. Running a 3B+ with stock 1400Mhz and Retropie governor set to 'performance'.
Tested this on it does crawl to a slow speed on the pi but is fine on a pc so must be using to much cpu power somewhere when doing this effect. If this isint happening on the xbox build it shouldnt happen on a pi though
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@arcadez2003 question - for the bubble bobble and ninja kids fixes specifically do I need a different rom for those games than the standard .078 or does just updating mame2003-plus alone implement those fixes? Thank you for all the work you are doing!
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@BJRetro said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
@arcadez2003 question - for the bubble bobble and ninja kids fixes specifically do I need a different rom for those games than the standard .078 or does just updating mame2003-plus alone implement those fixes? Thank you for all the work you are doing!
For this core you need a different Bubble Bobble rom Ninja Kids however uses the same rom as MAME2003
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@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
@WeirdH said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
@arcadez2003 Hmm, that's odd. It happened on mame2003 and also, though to a lesser extent, on 2003-plus. Running a 3B+ with stock 1400Mhz and Retropie governor set to 'performance'.
Tested this on it does crawl to a slow speed on the pi but is fine on a pc so must be using to much cpu power somewhere when doing this effect. If this isint happening on the xbox build it shouldnt happen on a pi though
Alright tested this as well on the Xbox, same thing a drop from 60fps to around 12fps when the raster effect triggers on the screen transition into and out of the bonus stage,
although you'd hardly notice it without the fps turned on, this doesn't happen when using FBN i get a steady 59fps so it must be an issue with the NeoGeo raster handling in
the older MAME code maybe this is the fix.............0.103u3: David Haywood rewrote NeoGeo video system, removing distinction between raster and non-raster games and cleaning up the code significantly. Cleaned up the Neo Geo mess from 0.103u2 [David Haywood, Razoola]. Changed visible area to 320x224.
From experience big changes like the above = lots of work to backport em.
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@arcadez2003 Well, if it's not worth it, you shouldn't bother imo. It's not a super essential game or anything, I was just wondering. Thanks for looking into it anyway.
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In Mame 2003-plus, I've noticed a major slowdown in Super Dodgeball '96 (Neo-Geo) when there is sprite-scaling over the fire effects in the attract mode. It's completely gone in AdvanceMame 3.9. I wonder if it's related to these other Neo-Geo slowdowns.
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@Lyle_JP said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
In Mame 2003-plus, I've noticed a major slowdown in Super Dodgeball '96 (Neo-Geo) when there is sprite-scaling over the fire effects in the attract mode. It's completely gone in AdvanceMame 3.9. I wonder if it's related to these other Neo-Geo slowdowns.
Yea checked this is happening on the pi 3b+ fps dropping to 40 fps when there is fire audio slows down as well but gameplay is ok. Now for these two games just press f1 on your keyboard to disable raster effects. The games run fine I dont notice any issues but im not 100% familiar with these games but if the slow downs get you down this will fix it.
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@Lyle_JP said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
In Mame 2003-plus, I've noticed a major slowdown in Super Dodgeball '96 (Neo-Geo) when there is sprite-scaling over the fire effects in the attract mode. It's completely gone in AdvanceMame 3.9. I wonder if it's related to these other Neo-Geo slowdowns.
A number of NeoGeo games fire a raster IRQ line when performing certain graphical effects, i suppose on some lesser spec platforms you'll get a big performance hit
while this is occuring, as you say since it doesn't happen when using a later MAME build on the same hardware a fix for this issue was done by the MAME dev's at
some point tracking it down and then attempting to backport the required changes to this core will be a fair amount of graft.I dunno if im up for big core updates at the moment :) it might be easier as @grant2258 suggested to just turn off the raster effects while playing said games
or we can make a list of the ones that make use of raster lines and depending on how they perform recommened you play them using another MAME core
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@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
Now for these two games just press f1 on your keyboard to disable raster effects. The games run fine I dont notice any issues but im not 100% familiar with these games but if the slow downs get you down this will fix it.
This totally works. Judging from the notification when pressing F1, it's a MAME setting, correct? The setting doesn't stick on exiting and restarting the rom, however. Is that at all possible, or will I have to press F1 every time?
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@WeirdH Yes it is indeed a mame option you will have to press it for the moment as is.
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@grant2258 Okay, thanks.
EDIT - I just noticed something: am I correct in stating that Mega Play titles don't save high scores?
So far, I've seen this on mp_sonic and mp_sor2, which both came from a reference set. All other games save scores perfectly fine.
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@WeirdH said in mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support:
EDIT - I just noticed something: am I correct in stating that Mega Play titles don't save high scores?
So far, I've seen this on mp_sonic and mp_sor2, which both came from a reference set. All other games save scores perfectly fine.
Any insight on this? TIA
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@WeirdH The simple answer is i dunno not having played any of the Sega Megaplay games in my local arcade back in the day, nor is there any mention
of adding save state support to the driver in the MAME WIP as far as i can tell from a quick glance.
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