Show Control Panel Layout before game starts in RetroPie, just like Arcade1UP does.
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@cyperghost Thank you. Agreed, both the button-map-artwork-generator, and the display-server could be used for a lot of things. A dynamic marquee display comes to mind too.
I would be happy to integrate an XML reader into the scripts, if someone can point me to an free, easy-to-use XML reader, with some good examples I can follow. The ones I've seen are Windows based. I need a simple Linux one. For all I know, there could be one built right into every Raspian disto, and I'm just not aware of it. I'm just not a very experienced database-querying guy. I'm more of a simple MS Excel kind of database guy.
Meanwhile, it's time for me put some more work into the WIKI documentation...
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Wow the wiki I'm writing is getting out of control. I'm up to 15 pages or more. I'm thinking of splitting the project in half. IE: Separate all the stuff that generates the library of button-map images, from the all the stuff that selects and displays those images. Two independent GitHub projects.
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@Texacate said in Show Control Panel Layout before game starts in RetroPie, just like Arcade1UP does.:
I would be happy to integrate an XML reader into the scripts, if someone can point me to an free, easy-to-use XML reader, with some good examples I can follow
One XML manipulation program that's available (and installed by the RetroPie-setup script) is
xmlstarlet- it can be used to read and manipulate XML documents. Unfortunately it fails at the good examples category.
But if you have the file structure and you can tell me what information you'll need extracted, we can lend a hand. -
@CargoRunner I think your attempt looks great! I can definitely see that being a time-consuming endeavor as well.
In my case, I wanted to keep mine simple and straightforward, without inundating the user with too much info (although it's nice to have). My launching images are set to 6 seconds - just enough time to see the controls and the original arcade flyer, and the user would be all set to play the game.
Even with simple requirements, yes, still a time consuming project. For me, most of the time is being spent on finding a high quality copy of the arcade flyer for each game. The rest is a Photoshop template where I just display the layer for each button with the function, and that's it. I'm slowly making progress.
My controls are obviously customized for the retrocade I built, but the 6-button layout itself is pretty standard. Someone else might find them useful. -
I'm very happy to see that you guys are developing a hopefully automated solution to creating these images. Very inspiring stuff!
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@mitu Thanks for the pointer to
xmlstarlet. There was just enough examples for me to dump all the button names insidecontrols.xmlfile into some plain text. Then, with a whole bunch ofgrepcommands, followed by a series of search-and-replace in my favorite text editor (nedit), I was able to wrangle the data into comma sepearated lines. I like .csv because it is easy to maintain in Microsoft Excel. Now I'm off and running. I will post the simplifiedbutton_dat.csvfile to my GitHub area later today. This doesn't cover the clones, but for now, that's good enough. I can go build my library of images now. -
Just came back to this and gotta say...WOW...some of this is over my head and wish I could contribute more to help out...but will keep plugging away at what I can do.
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@Texacate said in Show Control Panel Layout before game starts in RetroPie, just like Arcade1UP does.:
Thanks for the pointer to xmlstarlet. There was just enough examples for me to dump all the button names inside controls.xml file into some plain text. Then, with a whole bunch of grep commands, followed by a series of search-and-replace in my favorite text editor ( nedit ), I was able to wrangle the data into comma sepearated lines. I like .csv because it is easy to maintain in Microsoft Excel. Now I'm off and running. I will post the simplified button_dat.csv file to my GitHub area later today. This doesn't cover the clones, but for now, that's good enough.
Do let me know if you want to work together on generating this from the control names that are actually in the MAME 2003-Plus source. Plain text, XML, etc is all possible.
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@chicuelo Hi, the arcade joystick icon that I'm using in my launching image above...did you create that? I found it somewhere online, but can't seem to track down the original source.
If so, not sure when I'll be done with this batch of launching images, but would you be okay with me releasing them for others to use? -
@markwkidd At some point I will take you up on the offer to pull the data directly from XML, or JSON or whatever. But right now I'm happy with CSV.
@GreenGriffon I'm in the same boat. I wan't to make sure I'm using public-domain button and joystick artwork, and give proper credit to original source. I may end up just drawing my own button and joystick icons...
BTW everyone, I have put the CSV button database in my github area. It's it in the MAME generic order: P1_BUTTON1, P1_BUTTON2, P1_BUTTON3, etc .
Also the works:
- A copy of the exact same data, but with "less wordy" labels. Some of the text is 20 or more characters per button, and the label runs off the screen, or collides with an adjacent label.
- Auto-scaling down the font size when a label has a lot of characters, for the same reason.
- Functions that map MAME->RetroPad, and then RetroPad->ControlPanel. Hopefully that will make the scripts easier to customize according to one's specific button layout.
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@Texacate said in Show Control Panel Layout before game starts in RetroPie, just like Arcade1UP does.:
@markwkidd At some point I will take you up on the offer to pull the data directly from XML, or JSON or whatever. But right now I'm happy with CSV.
It is not a problem to generate a CSV either. The idea is about sharing and making improvements to a common list of controls rather than the file format.
Pretty much any text-based format is possible if and when it is decided that collaborating on fixes to incorrect and missing button labels is part of the intention of the project in this thread.
If maintaining the control name list and fixing those problems is part of your intentions then it does seem to me like having one common database is worth some coding time on my part.
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@markwkidd You raise a very good point. It would be wonderful if there was an active project who's main goal was to collect and maintain the database of controls descriptions. I would be happy to contribute to, and pull from such a centralized database (if-and-when that becomes a thing).
However, the intent my little project is limited displaying just a "few button's worth" of the data. I hope others find it useful, so I put it out there on github to copy/modify/contribute. We'll see where it goes! It's been a fun project so far! But for now I'm okay with my unmaintained/unofficial version of the data. I'll let you know if that changes.
But for sure, my project isn't the only one being discussed in this thread. There are at at least two other folks that have approached the problem from a different angle. I like what they have done too. Very inspiring stuff. The flyer art is genius!
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@Texacate said in Show Control Panel Layout before game starts in RetroPie, just like Arcade1UP does.:
It would be wonderful if there was an active project who's main goal was to collect and maintain the database of controls descriptions. I would be happy to contribute to, and pull from such a centralized database (if-and-when that becomes a thing).
Alright I think we are getting close to working through this miscommunication.
At the moment we do already have a centralized database -- so to speak -- for controls descriptions that is already getting additions and corrections from myself and others.
At the moment, only MAME 2003-Plus benefits from this database and there are only a handful of people updating the old "controls.dat" database , but if you do want to participate then I just need to know what format you would like to have access to the database in, such as CSV.
This database is a real thing that already exists is what I'm saying. :D
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@markwkidd Oh, that 's awesome. I didn't realize that. I grepped out the game list from the control.c file you pointed me to, and I found roughly 1000 games. Approximately the same number as in my copy of controls.xml_0.141.1 file. And both files seemed to have parents, but not clones. So I (mistakenly) concluded there wasn't that much of a difference. Good to be wrong! Still let's hold off integrating XML into my project until it's more polished, and more folks are actually playing with it. Right now it has whopping 2 whole downloads! LOL.
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@Texacate hi I wouldn’t interpret the lack of downloads for lack of interest! While I feel pretty good navigating pi menus and doing what I am told and stuff, I still have no idea how to pull scripts off of github and use/test them. If you work is now where I can use it to try to generate the images for my games I am happy to try and test it. But - what do I need to do? I would be generating the images to try to use them as launching images on my personal setup.
1-It sounds like after I downloaded the script (this I don’t know how to do) I would run it from command line (assuming I would say sudo (path to script? Where would it go after download?)
2- and it looks like from your documentation I would add at the end the rom name then the image would be generated in my arcade Roms folder for use. Right?
3- I don’t know if there is some way it would just read for .zip files in my arcade folder otherwise and then create the images for whatever games it can or if it has to be done on a game by game basis.
4-Also, I saw it will pull game logos into the image but is that art pulled from within a “wheel” folder that is inside the arcade Roms folder? Sorry for all the questions.
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@BJRetro I really need to fill out the download/usage sections of the documentation. There are some dependencies there. Tonight after work, I'll work on that. But let me try to briefy answer your questions.
Q1) Yes, that is the general idea. You would run it from command line. Using sudo should not be necessary to download the scripts and build images, but it may be needed to install ImageMagic. I'm actually building images on my Mac. Haven't actually tried to build images on the RPi yet. But I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't work. Again, I still need to separate all the image-display stuff from the image-create stuff.
UPDATE: Added support to build images on the RPi if desired.Q2) That is correct: From the terminal: "button_map.sh paceman" (don't use the.zip extension, just the basename). It will it generate the image in "a" folder named "./arcade", but I don't recommend that be THE arcade folder where your roms are... Yikes. I should change the generation folder name! You'll probably want the generated image to live somewhere else. That will completely depend on how one uses the images. Let me give that problem more thought. I build the images in a completely separate "sand-box" area. And if they look okay, I move them where they need to live.
Q3) It could be enhanced to do this. For now, you could list your rom directory to a file, and edit that file into a script that calls button_map.sh over and over again (remember to strip of the .zip extension). I may write separate, more elegant way to do what you are asking. The workaround I just suggested is pretty crude, but it gets the job done.
UPDATE: Added new script that does exactly this:for_all_roms.shQ4) Yes. The wheel folder is usually kept inside the system folder for ES and AttractMode themes that use wheel art. I only pull from this folder, so it is safe to point the button_map.sh script to the ~/RetroPie/roms/arcade/wheel folder. There is variable at the top of the script to for the pathname to the logo/wheel-art folder.
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Re: building images for parent roms and/or clone roms...
Let's say you want to build an image for a clone rom, but the button label data is only available for the parent rom:Last night I prototyped a way to do that. I was able to build significantly more button map images for the set of roms currently in my cabinet. But it also added an additional level of complexity to the database searching issues I already have... :-(
I definitely need to get proficient in XML searching... I'm a noob in that area. Ah, well. One more skill to acquire, right? -
@markwkidd In your controls archiving project...
- How are you managing the parent / clones control data? Are you just archiving the parent ?
- Similarly, how are you managing the different (but related) parents that have identical control information ?
The StreetFighter and KingOfFighter series are examples of this. If it's easier to point to a GitHub URL, just send me the link. I can go see for myself.
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@Texacate have a look here mame2003-plus/controls.c
Maybe this wiki is interesting for you adding button names
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@Texacate said in Show Control Panel Layout before game starts in RetroPie, just like Arcade1UP does.:
How are you managing the parent / clones control data? Are you just archiving the parent ?
Similarly, how are you managing the different (but related) parents that have identical control information ?As @robertvb83 mentioned and is described in detail in the MAME 2003-Plus developer docs that are linked there, the mapping between the control names happens elsewhere, in the driver source.
This can also be grepped/scripted easily because there are macro names (the
GAMECmacros, etc) that can be used as tokens for finding the mappings.
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