Low framerate on main EmulationStation menu - Pi 4

GreenHawk84

I can confirm the menu speed improves after a game is loaded.

rilight

Interesting, it doesn't really seem to help me but that might be because my theme displays more than the default carbon theme.

stoo

I'm having exactly the same issue. ES just decides to drop to 30fps at random times, and I'm seeing screen tearing in games.

Brand new Pi4B 8GB
Not overclocked.
Absolutely stock settings.
Official Pi4 image downloaded from this site.

It's really frustrating that in some ways the Pi4 performance seems worse than my Pi3B+. There is something amiss here.

stoo

Wait, what's the recommended gfx driver to run on the Pi4 at the moment?

I haven't modified by my config.txt since I installed RetroPie on this SD card from a freshly downloaded image about a week ago, and it's showing:

dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d

Is the fake KMS driver the one I should be using? Because performance seems dire in most emulators and in ES.

N.B.: That's where the tearing is coming from: the driver is just that freaking slow that it's not able to maintain 60fps.

dankcushions

@stoo are you using a 4k display? that will be the issue - set to 1080p via raspi-config

stoo

@dankcushions No, I'm not. Both 4k and analog are already disabled.

dankcushions

@stoo well, fkms is the default configuration on retropie and whilst there does appear to be reports of frame rate issues in ES, general emulation generally does not have issues (obviously n64 and other more advanced emulation notwithstanding).

if you have issues with general emulation please create a new support thread, providing the information requested in in https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first

rilight

@dankcushions: We're both having the same issue with the emulation tearing, so I think there must be some common factor. (Also, since my initial post in this thread I replaced my power cable and HDMI connector with official Raspberry Pi ones so I know that's not the problem.)

bluestang

I get the 30 FPS slowdowns in ES with the FKMS and KMS driver. I can not pinpoint what is causing the issue. Whether it’s the stock Mesa driver (v19.3.2.) or even the developmental Vulkan driver (has minor chgs to ogl) the issue is persistent.

stoo

@bluestang I'm sure it's the driver. I've found shaders are also slower on Pi4 than Pi3, and turning off Threaded Video in RA on Pi4 is a recipe for disaster.

I'm convinced the Pi4 graphics drivers aren't ready for prime-time.

Darksavior

Does ES use the mesa drivers? Maybe compile your own using the latest version like the redream devs have done. (I really have no idea how to do this but if anyone can, I'd love to know the test results)

stoo

@Darksavior I mean, it might not be the driver - I'm no expert at all.

I'm just kinda frustrated because my experience so far has been that the Pi4 doesn't exceed - or sometimes even match - the Pi3's graphics performance in some cases. I'm just venting.

It's times like this I wish I could code.

bluestang

@Darksavior said in Low framerate on main EmulationStation menu - Pi 4:

Does ES use the mesa drivers? Maybe compile your own using the latest version like the redream devs have done. (I really have no idea how to do this but if anyone can, I'd love to know the test results)

The developmental Vulkan driver has to be compiled and that has the latest mesa v3d and vc4 drivers and the issue still persists.

bluestang

@stoo said in Low framerate on main EmulationStation menu - Pi 4:

@bluestang I'm sure it's the driver. I've found shaders are also slower on Pi4 than Pi3, and turning off Threaded Video in RA on Pi4 is a recipe for disaster.

I'm convinced the Pi4 graphics drivers aren't ready for prime-time.

Yea there is an issue with this documented in the RetroPie GitHub - https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/issues/3134 and upstream in RA - https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch/issues/10688

bluestang

I'm starting to wonder if the SDL2 build script with the isPlatform "rpi" && conf_flags+=("--enable-video-rpi") is the cause of the framerate drop in ES for the Pi 4.

The Pi 4 should not be using any of the "legacy" VC libraries in /opt/vc/ because the Mesa libraries are the default now. The Pi 4 is adopting the standard Linux APIs so it should be mirroring what the other SBCs are doing. This is why omxplayer has been deprecated altogether.

The VC libraries are there for "backward compatibility" but should not be relied upon moving forward. There have been several threads on the official Raspberry Pi forums about this.

@mitu @dankcushions @BuZz

BuZz

@bluestang your assumptions are incorrect. Check the sdl2 module history and our sdl2 branch.

bluestang

@BuZz said in Low framerate on main EmulationStation menu - Pi 4:

@bluestang your assumptions are incorrect. Check the sdl2 module history and our sdl2 branch.

I did take a look and even though the VC headers are moved temporarily the --enable-video-rpi still triggers an option that is not necessary for the Pi 4. (https://github.com/RetroPie/SDL-mirror/blob/retropie-2.0.10/configure#L19829) - see setup log here --> lines 332 & 333. The standard Mesa libraries/drivers that come w/ RPiOS know which API to use based on the overlay driver configured - i.e. FKMS or KMS.

From my understanding via the official RPi forums, the Pi 4 should be built with the preferred Mesa headers/libraries rather than the Broadcom VC ones. Meaning, for the Pi 4 the options should be --enable-video-kmsdrm and --disable-video-rpi. I made this change here --> Setup Log and didn't see any negative issues. I need to do more testing to see if this fixes the framerate drop entirely but initial results look promising.

The differences in the two drivers are FKMS still uses the Broadcom proprietary Dispmanx API and KMS uses the standard Linux KMS/DRM API. (FKMS is just a wrapper on top of Dispmanx) Compatibility for Dispmanx will still be available for the Pi 4, but it seems that it will be deprecated at some point in the future. Especially once the KMS driver is fully developed.

In 64-bit RPiOS you've probably noticed that the Broadcom VC headers are now located in /usr/include but the Broadcom specific libraries no longer are present. Developers should be using the standard Linux libraries aka Mesa ones just as you would for standard Linux development.

BuZz

@bluestang said in Low framerate on main EmulationStation menu - Pi 4:

Developers should be using the standard Linux libraries aka Mesa ones just as you would for standard Linux development.

We are.

bluestang

@stoo @Darksavior what is your result if you pass the cmd line option emulationstation --vsync 1?

Darksavior

@bluestang No change. fkms or kms.