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      Folly @George
      last edited by Folly

      @george said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

      Hi @folly , thanks for letting me know. I've also experienced an audio issue after a few days, but haven't had the chance to experiment with it yet. I'll test out what happens when I reboot and then don't launch Wine and see if the audio issues persist after a few days.

      As for the system slowing down, how are you seeing this? Is it from playing a game or something else?

      Just the normal use, opening text files and using the webbrowser.
      Also experiencing freezes.
      I had the issues with booting from an sd card and from an usb stick.
      Now I use an usb harddrive for booting, without box86/wine and it's working fine.
      If I have time I will try it on another usb harddrive to see what will happen.

      From what I can tell, wine isn't running in the background, the graphics drivers are separate, and box86 is not running either. It could be something with binfmt, since that will intercept what you're trying to execute and then send it to the appropriate place, but that is a standard package anyone can install themselves. Maybe it's Timidity (for midi), which could also explain audio issues.

      I tried beebem. Beebem works but the sound has an echo.
      This can be related to beebem though.
      But it could also be an indication of the problem.
      First time I ran Beebem I had audio from hdmi.
      After reboot I had no sound when I ran Beebem, noticed later that AVjack was selected and hdmi was gone in the volume settings.
      I had a similar problem when I tried pinball, only music from hdmi and no sounds.
      After reboot hdmi gone.
      I don't know how I can detect where it's going wrong.
      But indeed. it could be Timidity, as you said.

      Seems there have been similar problems with hdmi audio last december when updating the OS.
      Because there have been changes in the OS for that matter.
      But since mine is working good after the latest updates and after a reboot.
      It seems not related to the OS update.

      Also switched raspberry pi's to see if it was the raspberry pi.
      Same result.

      Nevertheless it would be great if Beebem could run.
      Seems many people want this in retropie.
      There is a good chance we can build a module script for that emulator.

      If I find anything out, I'll let you know.

      Thanks, curious what you will find/experience ;-)

      - George

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        mth75 @George
        last edited by

        @george said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

        As for the system slowing down, how are you seeing this? Is it from playing a game or something else?

        Could it be caused by cpu throttling?

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          George @mth75
          last edited by George

          @mth75 indeed, perhaps the CPU is throttling for some reason. @folly, next time you see this issue, could you do the following while SSHed into your Pi and post the results?

          vcgencmd measure_temp
vcgencmd get_throttled
vcgencmd measure_clock v3d
vcgencmd measure_clock arm
ps -ef

          Thanks!

          - George

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            Folly @George
            last edited by Folly

            @george

            Ok, I will.

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              Folly @George
              last edited by Folly

              @george

              I boot from my usb3.0 stick now.

              This is the first slowdown.
              (forgive me I didn't use ssh, I was able to this in the desktop enviroment)

              I managed to make a log of 2 slowdowns (I will remove the logs later, once you have seen it !):

              First one :

              temp=53.5'C
throttled=0x0
frequency(46)=500000992
frequency(48)=800191424
UID        PID  PPID  C STIME TTY          TIME CMD
root         1     0  0 13:30 ?        00:00:05 /sbin/init splash
root         2     0  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kthreadd]
root         3     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [rcu_gp]
root         4     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [rcu_par_gp]
root         6     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/0:0H-kblockd]
root         8     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [mm_percpu_wq]
root         9     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root        10     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:02 [rcu_sched]
root        11     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/0]
root        12     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/0]
root        13     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/1]
root        14     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/1]
root        15     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/1]
root        17     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/1:0H-kblockd]
root        18     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/2]
root        19     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/2]
root        20     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/2]
root        22     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/2:0H-kblockd]
root        23     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/3]
root        24     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/3]
root        25     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/3]
root        27     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/3:0H-kblockd]
root        28     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kdevtmpfs]
root        29     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [netns]
root        32     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kauditd]
root        33     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [khungtaskd]
root        34     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [oom_reaper]
root        35     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [writeback]
root        36     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kcompactd0]
root        54     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kblockd]
root        55     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [blkcg_punt_bio]
root        56     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [watchdogd]
root        57     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [rpciod]
root        58     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/u9:0-sdhci]
root        59     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [xprtiod]
root        60     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kswapd0]
root        61     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [nfsiod]
root        62     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kthrotld]
root        63     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [irq/55-aerdrv]
root        64     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [iscsi_eh]
root        69     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [DWC Notificatio]
root        70     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [uas]
root        72     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:04 [vchiq-slot/0]
root        73     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:01 [vchiq-recy/0]
root        74     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [vchiq-sync/0]
root        75     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [vchiq-keep/0]
root        76     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [SMIO]
root        78     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [sdhci]
root        79     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:04 [irq/40-mmc0]
root        80     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [scsi_eh_0]
root        81     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [scsi_tmf_0]
root        82     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:02 [usb-storage]
root        83     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/1:1H-kblockd]
root        85     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/3:1H-kblockd]
root        86     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [jbd2/sda2-8]
root        87     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [ext4-rsv-conver]
root        88     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/2:1H-kblockd]
root        89     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [ipv6_addrconf]
root        92     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/0:1H-kblockd]
root       112     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-journald
root       146     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
root       177     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [SMIO]
root       183     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [mmal-vchiq]
root       186     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [mmal-vchiq]
root       189     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [mmal-vchiq]
root       191     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [mmal-vchiq]
root       203     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:11 [v3d_bin]
root       204     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:13 [v3d_render]
root       205     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [v3d_tfu]
root       206     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [v3d_csd]
root       207     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [v3d_cache_clean]
root       247     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [cfg80211]
root       267     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [brcmf_wq/mmc1:0]
root       268     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [brcmf_wdog/mmc1]
systemd+   336     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd
message+   393     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only
root       402     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/rsyslogd -n -iNONE
root       403     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:01 /usr/sbin/rngd -r /dev/hwrng
avahi      407     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 avahi-daemon: running [raspberrypi.local]
root       408     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
nobody     409     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:03 /usr/sbin/thd --triggers /etc/triggerhappy/triggers.d/ --socket /run/thd.socket --user nobody --deviceglob /dev/input/event*
root       422     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/alsactl -E HOME=/run/alsa -s -n 19 -c rdaemon
avahi      433   407  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 avahi-daemon: chroot helper
root       443     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron -f
root       453     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s -O /run/wpa_supplicant
root       456     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -l
root       465     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cups-browsed
root       474     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/dhcpcd -q -b
root       514     1  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 /bin/login -f
timidity   527     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/timidity -Os -iAD
root       540     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 wpa_supplicant -B -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0 -Dnl80211,wext
pi         562     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd --user
pi         563   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 (sd-pam)
pi         573   514  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 -bash
root       590     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/u9:1-hci0]
root       591     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/hciattach /dev/serial1 bcm43xx 3000000 flow -
root       597     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd
pi         745   573  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startx
pi         767   745  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc :0 vt1 -keeptty -auth /tmp/serverauth.nGySgieS0w
pi         768   767  5 13:30 tty1     00:02:37 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp :0 vt1 -keeptty -auth /tmp/serverauth.nGySgieS0w
pi         772   767  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:01 /usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE-pi -e LXDE
pi         781   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --session --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only
pi         805   772  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager
pi         816   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd
pi         821   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-fuse /run/user/1000/gvfs -f -o big_writes
pi         837   772  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:03 openbox --config-file /home/pi/.config/openbox/lxde-pi-rc.xml
pi         840   772  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 lxpolkit
pi         841   772  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:14 lxpanel --profile LXDE-pi
pi         843   772  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:21 pcmanfm --desktop --profile LXDE-pi
pi         848     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s
pi         851     1  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/raspi-config/cmstart.sh
root       855     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
pi         858   851  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 xcompmgr -aR
pi         873     1  0 13:30 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py
pi         874   562  1 13:30 ?        00:00:43 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no
rtkit      888     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/rtkit/rtkit-daemon
root       895     2  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 [krfcommd]
pi         899     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/menu-cache/menu-cached /run/user/1000/menu-cached-:0
pi         903   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
root       906     1  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/udisks2/udisksd
pi         920   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor
pi         924   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
pi         928   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-goa-volume-monitor
pi         932   562  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-afc-volume-monitor
pi         969   816  0 13:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.4 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0
pi        1341   562  0 13:32 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata
pi        1388   562  0 13:33 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/dconf/dconf-service
root      2223     2  0 13:47 ?        00:00:04 [kworker/u8:0-events_unbound]
root      3875     2  0 13:58 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/3:1-mm_percpu_wq]
root      3907     2  0 13:59 ?        00:00:01 [kworker/0:1-events]
root      3915     2  0 13:59 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/1:4-mm_percpu_wq]
root      3919     2  0 14:00 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/2:2-mm_percpu_wq]
pi        4693   841  5 14:04 tty1     00:01:02 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --force-renderer-accessibility --disable-quic --enable-tcp-fast-open --enable-pinch
pi        4715  4693  0 14:04 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=zygote --no-zygote-sandbox
pi        4716  4693  0 14:04 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=zygote
pi        4718  4716  0 14:04 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=zygote
pi        4742  4715 11 14:04 tty1     00:02:01 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=gpu-process --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --gpu-preferences=MAAAAAAAAAAgAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASAAAAAgAAABAAAAAAAAAAEgAAAAAAAAAUAAAAAAAAABYAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAAAABwAAAAAAAAAHgAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0AAAAQAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAMAAAAEAAAAAAAAAABAAAADQAAABAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAwAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAQAAAANAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAGAAAADAAAABAAAAAAAAAABgAAAA0AAAA= --shared-files
pi        4744  4693  0 14:04 tty1     00:00:08 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=utility --utility-sub-type=network.mojom.NetworkService --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=network --disable-quic --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
pi        4749  4718  0 14:04 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=utility --utility-sub-type=storage.mojom.StorageService --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=utility --disable-quic --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
pi        4766  4718  7 14:04 tty1     00:01:18 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=renderer --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --num-raster-threads=2 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=8 --no-v8-untrusted-code-mitigations --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
pi        4832  4718  0 14:04 tty1     00:00:05 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=renderer --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --extension-process --num-raster-threads=2 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=5 --no-v8-untrusted-code-mitigations --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
pi        4889  4742  0 14:04 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=broker
pi        4979  4718  7 14:04 tty1     00:01:14 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=renderer --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --num-raster-threads=2 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=9 --no-v8-untrusted-code-mitigations --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
root      4995     2  0 14:04 ?        00:00:02 [kworker/0:3+events_freezable]
pi        5013  4693  0 14:06 tty1     00:00:04 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=utility --utility-sub-type=audio.mojom.AudioService --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=none --disable-quic --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
pi        5028  4718  0 14:06 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=renderer --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --num-raster-threads=2 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=13 --no-v8-untrusted-code-mitigations --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
root      5045     2  0 14:07 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/2:3+events_freezable_power_]
root      5064     2  0 14:10 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/0:2-events]
root      5066     2  0 14:10 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/3:0-mm_percpu_wq]
root      5070     2  0 14:12 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/1:1-mm_percpu_wq]
root      5083     2  0 14:12 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/u8:2+flush-8:0]
root      5090     2  0 14:14 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/2:0-mm_percpu_wq]
root      5096     2  0 14:15 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/0:0-events]
root      5098     2  0 14:15 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/3:2-mm_percpu_wq]
root      5114     2  0 14:17 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/3:3-mm_percpu_wq]
root      5131     2  0 14:18 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/1:0-mm_percpu_wq]
root      5136     2  0 14:18 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/u8:1-events_unbound]
root      5138     2  0 14:19 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/0:4-mm_percpu_wq]
pi        5154   841  0 14:20 tty1     00:00:01 lxterminal
pi        5160  5154  0 14:20 pts/0    00:00:00 bash
pi        5190  4718  4 14:21 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=renderer --field-trial-handle=10081958632426864600,5615009333255266452,131072 --lang=en-US --instant-process --num-raster-threads=2 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=14 --no-v8-untrusted-code-mitigations --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
root      5209     2  0 14:21 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/2:1-events]
pi        5210  5160  0 14:21 pts/0    00:00:00 bash get.sh
pi        5221  5210  0 14:21 pts/0    00:00:00 ps -ef

              This is the second slowdown/freeze :
              (forgive me I didn't use ssh, I was able open a terminal with ctrl+alt+F2)
              It took quite a while to get the log, so it was extremly slowing down while creating the log.

              temp=48.7'C
throttled=0x0
frequency(46)=250000496
frequency(48)=600117184
UID        PID  PPID  C STIME TTY          TIME CMD
root         1     0  0 15:30 ?        00:00:04 /sbin/init splash
root         2     0  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [kthreadd]
root         3     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [rcu_gp]
root         4     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [rcu_par_gp]
root         6     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/0:0H-kblockd]
root         8     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [mm_percpu_wq]
root         9     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root        10     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [rcu_sched]
root        11     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/0]
root        12     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/0]
root        13     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/1]
root        14     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/1]
root        15     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/1]
root        17     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/1:0H-kblockd]
root        18     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/2]
root        19     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/2]
root        20     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/2]
root        22     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/2:0H]
root        23     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [cpuhp/3]
root        24     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [migration/3]
root        25     2  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/3]
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pi         855   846  0 15:30 tty1     00:00:00 xcompmgr -aR
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pi         870   560  0 15:30 ?        00:00:08 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no
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pi         899   560  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
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pi         965   813  0 15:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.4 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0
pi        1389   837 10 15:35 tty1     00:01:08 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --force-renderer-accessibility --disable-quic --enable-tcp-fast-open --enable-pinch
pi        1411  1389  0 15:35 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=zygote --no-zygote-sandbox
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pi        1414  1412  0 15:35 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=zygote
pi        1438  1411 11 15:35 tty1     00:01:19 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=gpu-process --field-trial-handle=10953666345163838183,3183982652119743396,131072 --gpu-preferences=MAAAAAAAAAAgAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASAAAAAgAAABAAAAAAAAAAEgAAAAAAAAAUAAAAAAAAABYAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAAAABwAAAAAAAAAHgAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0AAAAQAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAMAAAAEAAAAAAAAAABAAAADQAAABAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAwAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAQAAAANAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAGAAAADAAAABAAAAAAAAAABgAAAA0AAAA= --shared-files
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pi        1445  1414  0 15:35 tty1     00:00:00 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=utility --utility-sub-type=storage.mojom.StorageService --field-trial-handle=10953666345163838183,3183982652119743396,131072 --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=utility --disable-quic --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
pi        1518  1414  0 15:35 tty1     00:00:06 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=renderer --field-trial-handle=10953666345163838183,3183982652119743396,131072 --lang=en-US --extension-process --num-raster-threads=2 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=5 --no-v8-untrusted-code-mitigations --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
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pi        1776  1414  6 15:38 tty1     00:00:28 /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-v7 --type=renderer --field-trial-handle=10953666345163838183,3183982652119743396,131072 --lang=en-US --num-raster-threads=2 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=17 --no-v8-untrusted-code-mitigations --shared-files=v8_snapshot_data:100
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                George @Folly
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                Thanks for the log, @folly.

                I have to look at the output of ps -ef more deeply. There are many things running that I don't have running (LXDE/OpenBox, Chromium, Pulse Audio, etc.). Any one of those things could be stressing out the CPU, causing the temperature to rise and slowing things down. But it's just a guess so far.

                I can say your temperature is much higher than what I am seeing with my Pi4. Mine has a big heat sink and fan, so it runs at about 39.0'C. Here's my output when just running EmulationStation:

                temp=39.0'C
throttled=0x0
frequency(46)=277646496
frequency(48)=700154304

                Perhaps try running those commands when everything is running smoothly.

                Interestingly, your frequencies on the first run are higher than mine, but your CPU frequency on the second item is lower. And of course, neither times is it showing that there is throttling going on.

                In other news, I think I've been able to trace an audio issue back to Timidity. I found my Pi4 not outputting any audio today. Running the following command resolved the issue without having to restart the Pi4.

                sudo service timidity restart

                Perhaps see if this will resolve your audio issues too, and maybe even the performance issue. If so, we might want to consider removing Timidity from the Wine installation and only put it into the Space Cadet installation, only turning it on when the program runs, and then turning it off when Space Cadet exits.

                Can you also run the following and send the output:

                dpkg -l | grep -i fbturbo

                - George

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                  Folly @George
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                  @george

                  Thanks for looking at it.

                  I can say your temperature is much higher than what I am seeing with my Pi4.

                  Earlier on I had a fan on it, but had the same issues.

                  There are many things running that I don't have running (LXDE/OpenBox, Chromium, Pulse Audio, etc.). Any one of those things could be stressing out the CPU, causing the temperature to rise and slowing things down. But it's just a guess so far.

                  Indeed, It can, but I have no problem when I run an other the OS from another media (that has not box86/wine installed yet). It could also be the usb stick, or the pi can't supply enough power to the usb stick. I have to check this again with a new install on a harddrive with box86/wine installed also.

                  Another thing is, that pulseaudio is now installed if you update your raspberry pi OS. Seems that sometimes this will break the audio. Strange thing was, that it is not always installed when you upgrade. My harddrive had still alsa only. yesterday I did a "sudo apt dist-upgrade" and now it did install pulsaudio with a good volume icon.
                  It could be, when you do only "sudo apt upgrade" it doesn't upgrade as it should, breaking the audio. Here you can find more about it :
                  https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/new-raspberry-pi-os-release-december-2020/

                  I think I've been able to trace an audio issue back to Timidity.

                  Nice job ! ;-)

                  Here is the output of the command you wanted to know :

                  pi@raspberrypi:~ $ dpkg -l | grep -i fbturbo
ii  gldriver-test                        0.6                                 all          Enable/disable fbturbo when OpenGL driver is used

                  ps.
                  We can use the konami remakes legally for box86/wine, read this :
                  https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/10918/where-to-legally-acquire-content-to-play-on-retropie/296

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                    Folly @George
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                    @george

                    I am already busy with an install on a powered usb 3.0 harddrive.
                    Using RetroPie-Setup 4.7.7 now.
                    I have already installed the mesa supplementary.
                    Now I am trying to install the box86 emulator.
                    It fails to detect the mesa supplementary.

                    log said :
                    rp_getIdxFromId command not found.
                    Looks like this command isn't supported anymore.

                    I commented the if function to install box86.

                    Had the same issue with installing wine, also commented the lines.
                    Removed timidy from the depends to check if there is improvement.
                    WoW, wine configuration was fast and ended before RetroPie-Setup got back in the menu !

                    Do you have an idea to fix the depedancy checks for box86 and wine ?

                    Tested a while without timidity, worked good.

                    Installed timidity manually and installed spacecadet3dpinball again.
                    (spacecadet3dpinball got stuck in the check also, same problem, commented also the IF function)
                    All works good, music and sound is working from the hdmi audio port.

                    Well, tested all for quite a while now and up till now it works quite good :-)
                    (lets say 4 hours)

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                      mth75 @Folly
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                      @folly said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                      p_getIdxFromId comm

                      I adjusted script and removed the lines in which the box86 and mesa installs are detected (or not). This enabled me to complete the installs.

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                        Folly @mth75
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                        @mth75 said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                        @folly said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                        p_getIdxFromId comm

                        I adjusted script and removed the lines in which the box86 and mesa installs are detected (or not). This enabled me to complete the installs.

                        Yes indeed, did the same thing ;-)

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                          George @Folly
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                          @folly said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                          rp_getIdxFromId command not found.

                          Thanks @Folly. I'll take a look at what happened to rp_getIdxFromId and see if there is a replacement.

                          - George

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                            George
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                            @folly said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                            We can use the konami remakes legally for box86/wine, read this :
                            https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/10918/where-to-legally-acquire-content-to-play-on-retropie/296

                            Thanks @Folly, this is cool. I've been looking at some of the recent commits for RetroPie and it looks like there is a new feature enabling external repositories for modules, which might be good for this use case. That would mean that once we get things figured out with installation directory, ports vs. emulator, etc. A whole repository can be created for the Konami remakes.

                            What do you think?

                            - George

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                              George @George
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                              @george said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                              I'll take a look at what happened to rp_getIdxFromId and see if there is a replacement.

                              Looks like this functionality was removed at about the same time I submitted my pull request for the script modules. But it also looks like some functionality may still exist and be simpler to make sure the chain still works. I'll do some work and update my scripts. I'll also test doing a dist upgrade to see where Pulse Audio is getting installed and how it affects things.

                              Thanks again!

                              - George

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                                Folly @George
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                                @george said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                                @folly said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                                We can use the konami remakes legally for box86/wine, read this :
                                https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/10918/where-to-legally-acquire-content-to-play-on-retropie/296

                                Thanks @Folly, this is cool. I've been looking at some of the recent commits for RetroPie and it looks like there is a new feature enabling external repositories for modules, which might be good for this use case. That would mean that once we get things figured out with installation directory, ports vs. emulator, etc. A whole repository can be created for the Konami remakes.

                                What do you think?

                                - George

                                Yes indeed, I read that also about external repositories.
                                Pretty good idea !

                                I just did an experiment on my usb3.0 stick, because I found this :
                                https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/101388/sata-3-ssd-too-slow-on-raspberry-pi-4-even-with-external-power
                                https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=245931

                                I turned uas off for my stick in boot/cmdline.txt

                                So I will have to test here and there, but I think this could be the solution.
                                Tested, still slow after a while, perhaps there is some corruption going on.
                                I think I will wipe that stick and try fresh again.

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                                  Folly
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                                  @George

                                  Today my HDMI audio was gone again (in the desktop enviroment).
                                  I removed timidity, did a shutdown and checked the cables.
                                  Then booted my pi again and my HDMI audio was back again.
                                  I don't know if timidity is causing this, but I thought you should know.

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                                    h2805270
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                                    Here's a treat for you people.

                                    I still have the SpaceCadet Pinball game installation .EXE (it's freeware, so no harm done):

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                                      mitu Global Moderator @h2805270
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                                      @h2805270 said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                                      I still have the SpaceCadet Pinball game installation .EXE (it's freeware, so no harm done):

                                      Didn't know it's freeware - do you have a reference to that ?

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                                        h2805270 @mitu
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                                        @mitu
                                        "Abandonware" is a more appropriate terminology in the case of this game, but yes. The original release/full game "Full Tilt Pinball" is classified as such:
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                                        The Windows Game is just an altered downgraded Demo Port of the original game, re-written in the C language (for wider CPU compatibility).

                                        Windows itself dropped it from Vista because of a collision bug in the 64-bit version they couldn't fix (works fine on Windows 10).

                                        They tried reviving the licence in 2018 as a "Microsoft Garage" project, but Cinematronics refused to give them the rights because of some complicated "only for Windows 95" mumbo-jumbo.

                                        In short, it's as good as most MS-DOS games.

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                                          mitu Global Moderator @h2805270
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                                          @h2805270 said in Box86 and Wine on RPi4:

                                          "Abandonware" is a more appropriate terminology in the case of this game, but yes[..]

                                          In this case, please remove the download link - without a release or distribution license, it's just a regular copyrighted game.

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                                            h2805270 @mitu
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                                            @mitu
                                            I really hate it when developers leave their games to rot indefinitely, but still keep a leash over them like they're going to earn any money from it today.

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