Emulation station freezing

roslof

Is anybody aware of a way to downgrade the vlc dependencies from latest (eg. downgrade vlc 3.0.12-0+deb10u1+rpt2) to any older version?

These are the three (3) main vlc-related dependancies for EmulationStation:

libvlc-dev libvlccore-dev vlc

For VLC alone, I was able to download vlc 3.0.11.1 and compile it without issue following these guidelines, but that isn't enough.

After running sudo make install files are copied around, but the system still sees VLC as the latest 3.0.12 -- So I'm not doing something right.

Then would also need to handle for libvlc-dev libvlccore-devof which I haven't even scratched the surface.

Seems rolling back VLC dependencies is not easy.

mitu

@roslof Compiling the sources from videolan.org will not get you the same thing as the packages distributed with Raspberry Pi OS. The version distributed by the RPI folks is patched with RPI specific support and is found at https://github.com/rpi-distro/vlc.

If you wish to downgrade your VLC version, you can download the VLC related packages from http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/ and install them with dpkg -i.

I gave it a brief test and I don't get a crash/freeze with the stable version, but only briefly tested with the -dev version. Just to make sure, by freeze you mean ES is not responsive to any input ? The new version has a new 'sleep after X' min configuration that will 'freeze' the currently running video screensaver.

EDIT: I'm running the tests using this PR, which has the advantage of printing the current video played by the screensaver (needs --debug as a parameter).

roslof

@mitu said in Emulation station freezing:

Top notch information here. Thank you!

Just to make sure, by freeze you mean ES is not responsive to any input ? The new version has a new 'sleep after X' min configuration that will 'freeze' the currently running video screensaver.

I could describe the freeze as this: When the problem kicks in, it's usually in-between videos. The screen is usually black and ES becomes unresponsive to any input. Network/SSH continues to work, but vcgencmd can no longer be used, as it will hang until Ctrl-C or it will lock-up the system completely.

At this point, sudo reboot from ssh will not work. You must kill power to the pi in order to restart it properly.

FWIW the issue with vcgencmd was easy to see when the bashwelcometweak is enabled. When starting a new ssh session, the script uses vcgencmd to read the CPU temperature, and gets stuck until Ctrl-C is pressed. htop shows a status of "D" (uninterruptible sleep).

roslof

@mitu said in Emulation station freezing:

The new version has a new 'sleep after X' min configuration that will 'freeze' the currently running video screensaver.

The timing of when the issue occurs is variable, and can be accelerated by shortening the time videos swap via ES Video Screensaver options, or by pressing right on the gamepad to advance to the next video. When I do this, I can usually reproduce the issue in less than 5 minutes. If I let it run natually with 35-second swap intervals, it could take an hour or more before the issue is seen.

In short: The faster you can cycle through videos, the more quickly the problem can be replicated.

dankcushions

this sounds similar to the memory leak issue, but that was with omx player only i think.. does increasing gpu_mem affect it?

https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/29735/emulatio-station-crashes/2?_=1627316238405&lang=en-GB

roslof

@dankcushions said in Emulation station freezing:

this sounds similar to the memory leak issue, but that was with omx player only i think.. does increasing gpu_mem affect it?

https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/29735/emulatio-station-crashes/2?_=1627316238405&lang=en-GB

Thank you @dankcushions. I've been running gpu_mem=256 and just bumped up to 512. Will let things run for a bit and see what we get.

roslof

@roslof said in Emulation station freezing:

Thank you @dankcushions. I've been running gpu_mem=256 and just bumped up to 512. Will let things run for a bit and see what we get.

Well that didn't take long. Same 'freeze' symptom in about the same amount of time (roughly 20-30 videos).

Will play around with older VLC builds and such later today and see what I can find. There is a possibility that the newer VLC isn't playing nice with some type of randomly selected video, so I'll see if I can catch something there, too.

mitu

I've been testing by leaving the screensaver for about 1h and then enabling the controls and switching manually between videos. So far I haven't encountered any freezes.
I only have a hand-full of videos, if the issue might be triggered by one of the videos, I may be spared because of the small selection I have available . FWIW I have gpu_mem set to 256, no overclock or other GPU/CPU related settings though.

I'll let it run a bit more by itself, but either there's an issue with the video or I'm running with a different config (w.r.t. screensaver) that doesn't trigger the freeze.

roslof

@mitu said in Emulation station freezing:

I'll let it run a bit more by itself, but either there's an issue with the video or I'm running with a different config (w.r.t. screensaver) that doesn't trigger the freeze.

I'll spend time later today trying this:

EDIT: I'm running the tests using this PR, which has the advantage of printing the current video played by the screensaver (needs --debug as a parameter).

Assuming this is printing to standard output? When I see (an) affected video(s), I will isolate them in a single system and see if it's 100% reproducable.

mitu

@roslof said in Emulation station freezing:

Assuming this is printing to standard output?

Yes, just run emulationstation --debug from a SSH session (optionally via screen) and it will print the games from where the videos are loaded.

mitu

@roslof Didn't manage to reproduce the freeze so far.
Can you post your ES settings (es_settings.cfg) ?

roslof

@mitu said in Emulation station freezing:

@roslof Didn't manage to reproduce the freeze so far.
Can you post your ES settings (es_settings.cfg) ?

Of course:

Here are my current ES settings

Also, I rebuilt ES-dev with the PR that you provided and gave it a few runs. Here is the [tail] output of three (3) separate runs. Nothing appears out of the ordinary:

https://pastebin.com/bNbWHPTC

I created a system with only the videos (and a custom gamelist.xml + roms) that appear at the end of each run, but they all render fine. I still have more testing to do, but I believe that with a small number of videos, the freeze doesn't occur. Will inform when I wrap with the testing.

FWIW: I'm currently running with screensaver indexing on and with a Max VRAM of 500, but I've also disabled indexing and adjusted VRAM to 250. The freeze still occurs, and the log only shows videos playing without indexing.

mitu

@roslof said in Emulation station freezing:

FWIW: I'm currently running with screensaver indexing on and with a Max VRAM of 500, but I've also disabled indexing and adjusted VRAM to 250. The freeze still occurs, and the log only shows videos playing without indexing.

Hm, never used the indexing option (something new), but I'll use your .cfg file and re-run the tests. There's no point in allocating more than 256 Mb of RAM for the GPU, this only affects the GPU's HW video decoder and - on the Pi4 - 192 Mb should be plenty for that.

mitu

@roslof I've re-run the test with your configuration, but haven't encountered any freezing so far. Doesn't seem like there's any setting that affects the behavior in EmulationStation.

If you can isolate the issue to a particular system, it would be easier to test it - if it's either related to the video file(s) or something else.

Can you run

raspinfo | head -n 60

and post the output ? Ever since the bluetooth issues that appeared only on certain (newer) Pi revisions, I'd like to see if you're using the same board revision.

roslof

@mitu said in Emulation station freezing:

Can you run
raspinfo | head -n 60
and post the output ?

Certainly, and thank you: https://pastebin.com/whWMWmwc

Will continue to test videos. If I can't find an issue with specific videos, I may devote time finding the offending code in the 7 files from the commit. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the code because this code used to work on my pi without issue. The issue started around the time that I performed a full upgrade with adb. Will continue to hammer on this.

The only other thing that I can think of, around the time of having these issues, is that I installed Wine + Box from this thread, which installs these dependencies:

binfmt-support cmake gtk2-engines-murrine libncurses5 libncursesw5 libssl1.0.2 libglu1-mesa zenity mesa-utils libinput10 libxkbcommon-x11-0 matchbox-window-manager xorg

I may uninstall each of these and see if it makes a difference.

mitu

@roslof said in Emulation station freezing:

The only other thing that I can think of, around the time of having these issues, is that I installed Wine + Box from this thread, which installs these dependencies:
[...]

That shouldn't cause a problem.

raspinfo | head -n 60
...

Linux retropie 5.10.52-v7l+ #1439 SMP Thu Jul 22 15:41:13 BST 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux

Videocore information
---------------------

Jul 21 2021 16:21:46 
Copyright (c) 2012 Broadcom
version 6a796bb0062a6c75191c57cba1c13f9300076d02 (clean) (release) (start)

however, the above tells me you've used rpi-update ?

roslof

@mitu said in Emulation station freezing:

however, the above tells me you've used rpi-update ?

Yes, but only recently. The issue existed prior.

This past weekend I was running latest stable:
Linux retropie 5.10.17-v7l+ #1421 SMP Thu May 27 14:00:13 BST 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux

Leaving aside a problem with ES, if you want to bisect a problem with the firmware you can use rpi-update and selectively update the just RPI firmware to see which revision is at fault (e.g. run it with sudo SKIP_KERNEL=1 rpi-update <git-revision>).

Starting playing with older and newer firmwares and landed on latest when I ran raspinfo.

Here is a pastebin of the output after downgrading back to stable: https://pastebin.com/RLwVHwGL

mitu

@roslof said in Emulation station freezing:

This past weekend I was running latest stable:
Linux retropie 5.10.17-v7l+ #1421 SMP Thu May 27 14:00:13 BST 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux

Yes, that's the version shipped as stable by Raspberry Pi OS. I upgraded with rpi-update and re-tested, but it seems the kernel/firmware version is not at fault - still can't get it to freeze.

roslof

@mitu said in Emulation station freezing:

Yes, that's the version shipped as stable by Raspberry Pi OS. I upgraded with rpi-update and re-tested, but it seems the kernel/firmware version is not at fault - still can't get it to freeze.

I appreciate you trying, mitu. I'll keep at it.

roslof

Issue still occurring. Thought it was fixed. Then I got another freeze.

After exhausting all other options, I manually downgraded VLC using RPi patched versions, and in the interest of certainty, went down to 3.0.11rpt3 (where I did most of my early testing with snap videos).

The process to downgrade was fairly simple, ensuring all downloaded deb packages match each other. So for 3.0.11rpt3, these were the files:

libvlc-bin_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc-data_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_all.deb
vlc-plugin-base_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc-plugin-qt_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc-plugin-video-output_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc-bin_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
libvlccore9_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
libvlccore-dev_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
libvlc5_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
libvlc-dev_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc-l10n_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_all.deb
vlc-plugin-notify_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc-plugin-samba_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb
vlc-plugin-video-splitter_3.0.11-0+deb10u1+rpt3_armhf.deb

Then rebooted.
Verified that VLC running was indeed 3.0.11. Freeze still occurs.

Can rule out A LOT of things:

VLC is fine (verified with rollback)
Kernel/Firmware is fine (verified with rollback and roll-forward)
ES Settings are fine (others don't freeze with my settings
This is not an issue with the .mp4s (freeze is random and videos that were running during a freeze run perfectly fine otherwise).
The ES-dev commit that causes my freeze is not affecting others
Ruled out overclocking (disabled completely, and the config.txt file is the same I've used for years)

shrug

Thank you again @mitu and @mahoneyt944 for your information and valuable time. I'll keep on this. Not sure about next steps yet.