Orange Pi 5
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@dankcushions said in Orange Pi 5:
the image for the pi + bullseye needs to be done first :)
Not quite - the Pi image wouldn't be useful on a Orange Pi 5 :).
I think once RetroPie's SDL2 for bullseye will work, the manual installation would work better on a KMS type install. Otherwise, using a X11/Wayland with Ubuntu/Debian would work similarly how the Tegra works in RetroPie (i.e. like a PC/X11 platform, but with a
aarch64CPU).There are two open source GPU drivers for the Mali G610 but I don't know how good either are.
@enderandrew .. I think there's only one (panfrost) open source driver for that particular GPU. Which is the other one ? (N.B. the lima open source driver supports the older Mali GPUs, not the one included in the Orange Pi 5).
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Linus Tech Tips dropped a video the other day that recommended the Orange Pi 5. It seems to be gaining interest as a Raspberry replacement.
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@mitu In addition to panfrost there is panfork
https://gitlab.com/panfork/mesa
If JELOS already has RetroArch and EmulationStation is part of the image for the Orange Pi 5, I guess the only question is whether or not you can add the RetroPi scripts on top of it (I assume you can) and whether or not anyone would want to consider supporting that.
I want to build a self-contained emulation machine for kids down at my Masonic lodge. I was going to pick up a Raspberry Pi 4, but they are constantly sold out. I ended up ordering a Super King X machine from AliExpress, but I got a fake tracking number. It was a scam and I never received it. AliExpressed detected the scam themselves and auto-refunded my purchased but it wasted a month.
Then I ordered another, but due to scarcity, the price of a Super King X went up $30 and then the same thing happened. This time I had to manually dispute and prove the fake tracking. That particular AliExpress store disappeared, and it took another month.
And guess what, due to scarcity, the Super King X prices are up another $30. I could bypass AliExpress and order from Amazon which should be more reputable, but drop-shippers on Amazon are charging $300 for a Super King X setup.
Meanwhile, an Orange Pi 5 is more powerful than a Super King X and more powerful than the Raspberry Pi 4, and yet it would be cheaper than me buying a Super King X.
I'm just curious if I can get it to work. I'm both a little desperate and optimistic.
There are no official cases for the Orange Pi 5, but I found this:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804955757553.html
There is an official Wifi 6 / Bluetooth adapter that goes in the M2 slot and it is sold out everywhere. I am curious if I get another Wifi / Bluetooth M2 adapter, if I can expect it to work. I have no idea which ones have decent Linux drivers.
Is it possible something like this would work?
https://www.amazon.com/WiFi-Wireless-Card-Intel-AX411/dp/B0BN7ZD3FS/
Then I just need to find cheap Bluetooth wireless controllers.
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@mitu said in Orange Pi 5:
@dankcushions said in Orange Pi 5:
the image for the pi + bullseye needs to be done first :)
Not quite - the Pi image wouldn't be useful on a Orange Pi 5 :).
i mean, as a higher priority ;)
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@enderandrew said in Orange Pi 5:
There is an official Wifi 6 / Bluetooth adapter that goes in the M2 slot and it is sold out everywhere. I am curious if I get another Wifi / Bluetooth M2 adapter, if I can expect it to work. I have no idea which ones have decent Linux drivers.
That raises an important issue for people used to using recent model Raspberry Pies. I can live without Wifi but Bluetooth would be essential. I I want to keep the Pcie slot free for an SSD so I'd have to use USB Bluetooth.
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@George-Spiggott Agreed. I was considering a USB Bluetooth adapter instead. But I may want to keep the USB ports open.
I may use an Orange Pi 5 hooked-up to my At Games Legends Ultimate arcade cabinet as well. If so, I'd need to connect the USB 3.0 port on the Pi 5 to the cabinet. That would only leave the 3.1 and 2.0 USB ports open, and I'd need a USB hub for my lightgun and IR sensor.
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@enderandrew said in Orange Pi 5:
@mitu In addition to panfrost there is panfork
https://gitlab.com/panfork/mesaI see. Seems to be a fork of panfrost with support for the Mali G710/G610. Hopefully the additions will be merged back in upstream Mesa so they'll be automatically included in Debian/Ubuntu/Other distros.
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@mitu It seems panfork does offer working openGL support but not Vulkan at this time. I hope they get that working eventually.
I have no idea if the changes will be accepted upstream. I hopped in the JELOS Discord and looked for all mentions of panfork. I saw hits for 'panfork drama' which worries me what whatever that means, it might prevent upstream adoption.
With Pi 4 availability still being an issue for a full 3 years, I assume we're going to see more adoption of competitors like the Orange Pi 5, so I hope that spurs more driver development.
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Am I right in thinking that a build for the Orange Pi 5 would also serve the Firefly RK3588S, the NanoPi R6S and the Radxa Rock 5B? since they all have the same processor and GPU.
@enderandrew The USB ports seem to be at a premium compared to the Pi4B. It has one USB 2A, one USB 3A and another USB 2 shared between an A and C socket that I assume you cannot use simultaneously.
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@George-Spiggott said in Orange Pi 5:
@enderandrew The USB ports seem to be at a premium compared to the Pi4B. It has one USB 2A, one USB 3A and another USB 2 shared between an A and C socket that I assume you cannot use simultaneously.
Yep, which is why I ordered a M.2 socket Wifi / BT adapter. The AX211 series is supported from the 5.14 Linux kernel and up, but the JELOS distro has a 5.10 kernel at the moment, so I ordered an Intel AX210 adapter.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09WQSNMCT/
It is going to take a month to ship out the Orange Pi 5, but I will report my findings once I get it and start testing.
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@enderandrew I have old spare Bluetooth 4.0 and Wifi sticks that I could reuse. I'd only be using Bluetooth for controllers so BT4 would be more than capable. That would still leave me the USB3 spare.
Looking around it looks like Orange Pi 5s are at a premium as well right now, I'm not seeing any for under £100.
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@George-Spiggott https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804755567494.html - $75 USD should be about £62 I believe.
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There are some videos out that show Wii emulation on the Orange Pi5 with a Linux desktop distro . Some seem to run smooth..others a bit choppy..but not many emulators tested yet. Who knows what this board is capable of..other than being more readily available than a Raspberry Pi and of course the only downfall is no WIFI . But other than buying a cheap WiFi dongle..others have bridged a connection between a PC /laptop and the Orange Pi via a Cat5 cable.
Retropie does load on it via videos..but I guess there is some issues with drivers and such.
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Does anyone actually have one yet? I'm getting conflicting information about the power supply needed, is it really 4Amps via USB C?
http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-5.html
Also, what are the devs and moderators thoughts regarding people using this community to self support each other in the absence of an official build?
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@George-Spiggott said in Orange Pi 5:
[...] is it really 4Amps via USB C?
These are most likely the amperes the source should able to provide in minimum. USB-C/PD only negotiates the voltage (in this case 5V), the amperes are "as needed", as long as the product of voltage and amperes is within 100W (and the source can provide 100W as by USB-C/PD2.0 spec) it should not matter. In other words: The Rpi4 official PSU has too little beef to max out the Orange Pi 5. If they implemented USB-C/PD correctly any USB-C power source with at least 20W should do.
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I ordered an Orange Pi 5 from Aliexpress but I believe I was also scammed. There was package tracking data saying that it delivered from China to the opposite side of Canada and in only 5 days or so. It showed as delivered and signed but I never got at and the report/refund process on Aliexpress is not working out.
I made the mistake of ordering from a seller that only had 1 previous sell I should have paid more attention to that.
I'm making a second attempt with a seller that had hundreds of sales and hoping that will work out. Prices jumped a lot in the weeks in-between though.
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@RedMarsBlueMoon I had a similiar thing happen recently when I ordered a Super King X pre-made emulation console from AliExpress. There was a legit tracking number. I followed it. It was delivered to Ohio, except I live in Nebraska. Tracking said it was delivered and done. I waited another month wondering if that was a drop shipper getting it the last leg, and I never received it.
I contested the order and showed a screenshot of how it was supposedly delivered to a completely different state.
AliExpress refunded me the money and the store I ordered from doesn't exist on AliExpress anymore.
I hope I get my OrangePi I ordered from them. I've had mixed results.
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I just purchased an orange pi 5 on amazon for $82.99. Link https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BN16ZLXB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1. Hopefully it will arrive but if it doesn't I'm a lot more confident in Amazon's willingness to repay me than aliexpress. Hopefully I'm not goign to regret not buying the 4A power supply with it.
Reading up online / watching videos in the absence of an official retropie image it seems the easiest option would be to download either the android, ubuntu, debian, or orangepi images and install either retropie for ubuntu/debian or retroarch and the other emulators directly on top of that. If you are downloading the image from thei vendor it seems like you have the best chance of full support for the GPU etc. Watching the videos it seemed like hardware acceleration was supported in the android image but not in the ubuntu image yet. I assume the orange pi image will likely be the best supported but I have no idea what that looks like. I would be very interested if anyone actually has one of these boards and can report on hw acceleration on the various OS and any issues with installing retropie.
Performance wise it looks great and there are lots of videos showing at least some wii, gamecube, and ps2 games running flawlessly!
The limited USB ports is annoying but easily solved by adding a USB hub. These are dirt cheap and I happen to have one spare anyway. Most likely I'll be able to get away with just BT and a disk anyway one it's setup.
Like others I'm concerned about the BT support. Reading online it seems the linux builds offer better support for the USB BT adapters (unfortunately less for the GPU). That said I'm seeing some reports of some usb BT adapters working and plan to try a few until I find one that works. While WiFi would be nice I don't need it as I can connect via ethernet.
I'm hoping between the month or two since it was released and reviewed and when I actually get my board the driver support might have improved.
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@George-Spiggott This usb bt/wifi adapter is on official datasheet that it works out of the box
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005001632825136.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.5.4c1d194dMzClWp&gatewayAdapt=glo2esp -
@jmbooth2000 said in Orange Pi 5:
I just purchased an orange pi 5 on amazon for $82.99. Link https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BN16ZLXB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1. Hopefully it will arrive but if it doesn't I'm a lot more confident in Amazon's willingness to repay me than aliexpress. Hopefully I'm not goign to regret not buying the 4A power supply with it.
Reading up online / watching videos in the absence of an official retropie image it seems the easiest option would be to download either the android, ubuntu, debian, or orangepi images and install either retropie for ubuntu/debian or retroarch and the other emulators directly on top of that. If you are downloading the image from thei vendor it seems like you have the best chance of full support for the GPU etc. Watching the videos it seemed like hardware acceleration was supported in the android image but not in the ubuntu image yet. I assume the orange pi image will likely be the best supported but I have no idea what that looks like. I would be very interested if anyone actually has one of these boards and can report on hw acceleration on the various OS and any issues with installing retropie.
Performance wise it looks great and there are lots of videos showing at least some wii, gamecube, and ps2 games running flawlessly!
The limited USB ports is annoying but easily solved by adding a USB hub. These are dirt cheap and I happen to have one spare anyway. Most likely I'll be able to get away with just BT and a disk anyway one it's setup.
Like others I'm concerned about the BT support. Reading online it seems the linux builds offer better support for the USB BT adapters (unfortunately less for the GPU). That said I'm seeing some reports of some usb BT adapters working and plan to try a few until I find one that works. While WiFi would be nice I don't need it as I can connect via ethernet.
I'm hoping between the month or two since it was released and reviewed and when I actually get my board the driver support might have improved.
Of course this is a constantly moving situation as its early on still but I found this thread interesting about the hardware decode.
https://forum.armbian.com/topic/25957-guide-kodi-on-orange-pi-5-with-gpu-hardware-acceleration-and-hdmi-audio/Its generally quite interesting to look through the different threads on that forum.
Of course the HW video encode/decode might be somewhat separate from the graphics GPU so I'm not clear on if you get hw decode to work you also have good gpu graphics.
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