Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons

future.child

@Used2BeRX The SELECT button is native to the 400/800(xl) but was not present on the 5200.
The reason you should leave it mapped though is because it serves as hotkey:
SELECT + START to exit emulator
SELECT + * : Emulator Menu
SELECT + # : Reset

I have tested BBSB and directional did work with setting JOY_SPEED_ADJUST=11 (completely disabling adjustment) with Analog controls.
Probably the game was developed with digital input in mind.

future.child

@adriansos666

For questions 1 and 2:
Do you have my latest release ?
I updated it yesterday due to a bug not accepting the new mappings over hard-coded ones.

Further, do you have in your emulators.cfg specified where your config file is ?
If not the emulator may use the default path ($HOME/.atari800.conf).

For question 3:
SELECT + START to exit emulator
SELECT + * : Emulator Menu
SELECT + # : Reset

Used2BeRX

@future.child Thanks for reminding me about the hotkey on the Select. I forgot about that. Doh!

You were right about the digital input on BBSB as well. I changed the default cfg to 11 for joy speed and that did the trick. Not sure if there were other games affected by this as well.

I'm actually going to be making configurations for every game now, and the mappings will be on the spreadsheet. I'll post it now so you can peek in on the progress, but know that it's in the very early stages now and I have to "fix" all of the games I did so far for the SELECT button to work. I haven't actually made any configs yet. This is just a preliminary map for when I do.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VhS4f3RFCzkPeOpyVYaWno3-Ls0EjJnj_I9WjKfvnuI/edit?usp=sharing

mediamogul

This is long overdue, but I'm going to move this thread to 'Ideas and Development', which is better suited for this topic. On a personal note, I use this emulator a lot and it's great to see it getting so much attention here.

Used2BeRX

@adriansos666 Yes, the values are for a PS3/4 joystick. It is an off brand one though, so it's possible that the maps aren't perfect because of that. I haven't tested on a legitimate PS3/4 joystick to compare. You might be using one of the configs I had posted specifically for a game so they would be off from the default in that case.

I would follow future.child's advice about your questions. I don't want to confuse things by chiming in with wrong information.

Used2BeRX

@mediamogul Hey man. I'm happy to help. This was one of my consoles when I was a kid and it always gets overlooked. :)

Maybe you know the answer to this question. When you set a game to use an alternate emulator on launch, where does that information get saved that automatically launches it in the future? I'm going to be making separate configs for every game so there are going to be a lot of lines added to emulators.cfg for the 5200. I wanted to know more about this, and knowing where that info is saved is something I need to know.

mediamogul

@Used2BeRX

The individual launch commands are located in /opt/retropie/configs/atari800/emulators.cfg and /opt/retropie/configs/atari5200/emulators.cfg. However, the per-game preferences for those launch commands are located in /opt/retropie/configs/all/emulators.cfg.

Used2BeRX

@mediamogul Thanks man. I knew where the launch commands are set, but the per-game info is exactly what I was looking for :)

So it looks like that's based off of some sort of Hash value then? If that's the case I will definately have to make instructions for how to set up each game the first time for the special controls instead of using the standard Atari 5200 configruation. The good news though is that it doesn't matter where the rom is located. I'm assuming that I could move these to different folders now and they would still launch with the configuration I set for them.

adriansos666

@future.child & @Used2BeRX Sweet! Those key combinations work like they suppose to. Updated binary all good. Found typo in emulators.cfg for XL (missed one folder in the path where atari800.cfg sits). Got XL working fine with trigger, start and select mapped to the joypad and still using dedicated config file.

One more question, how use d-pad for directions if I want to? And what's the meaning of numbers next to SDL_JOY_0_LEFT, RIGHT, UP, DOWN and TRIGGER? Is it analog value? Also on the slightly unrelated subject, do anyone of you guys have issues with audio being lagging and very choppy? I've tried different sound settings inside emulator but no matter what it is choppy. Increasing latency seems to work but only for a while before sound becomes choppy again. I have tested libretro with Atari800 core and audio plays nicely.

future.child

@adriansos666 to use the d-pad you would have to disable true analog (set TRUE_ANALOG_JOYSTICK=0 in your config).
This is because the analog joystick sends continous analog values, so when d-pad is used the emulator could receive two different values.

The numbers next to SDL_JOY_0_LEFT, RIGHT, UP, DOWN and TRIGGER are sdl keycodes, these are used to map keyboard keys to joystick input.

As for sound, i have not noticed stuttering (analog jack, overclocked pi3).
What setup do you have, maybe i can replicate the issue and find the cause, or better yet a solution.
Possibly because there have been added some new routines for joystick there is a timing issue.
~~Did you try lowering the sample rate or play with other sound setting in the emulator menu ?~~

Used2BeRX

@adriansos666 I am running a Pi Zero that I clocked to 1000mhz (not overclocked, but it comes at only 700mhz by default). I don't have any issues with sound or laggy behavior in Atari 5200.

Used2BeRX

@future.child * and # don't seem to be responsive to change the players or difficulty in Kangaroo. I won't mention that type of stuff in here anymore. I will put it in the Notes section of the spreadsheet and highlight it in red. There may be more that I've missed so far. I will be testing all of this thouroughly when the emu is ready and I start making the different game configs.

future.child

@Used2BeRX this makes two roms unresponsive to asterix and hash input.
I will dig up a servicemanual and see if i can find a clue (maybe the trackball uses a diferent codes for these than regular joystick does ?).

Anyway, it seems i already mapped digit 0, i just seem to have forgotten to update the readme and sample config.
I will add the pause button somewhere tomorrow and post an update.

Used2BeRX

@future.child Sounds good. I may not find any more problems until I actually test the controls once the Start Button is implemented and I make the individual game configs. I just got lucky finding that one on Kangaroo. I'm hoping it doesn't happen much, but I'll let you know when I find them.

I'm about halfway through the mapping in the spreadsheet for the official 5200 releases. I'll probably map out the 800 to 5200 conversion carts I had as well as prototypes and self-published games as well.

adriansos666

@future.child Tried to use TRUE_ANALOG_JOYSTICK=0 but it still uses analog controller instead of d-pad. I didn't map d-pad buttons to anything in my XL config.

I have had audio issues also with "stock" Atari800 emulator that comes with RetroPie (not just binary I got from you). I appreciate help. I googled about the issue but couldn't find anything. I'm using non-overclocked Pi3 with 768/256 memory split (RetroPie 4.2.3). Emulator when runs uses about 20% of CPU. I'm loading roms from USB stick rather than a SD card, but doubt this would have cause this issue.

I'll try to make another SD card with RetroPie and just test it with Atari800 emulator. I'll also try on another Pi3 and if still have issue, then will open another topic.

future.child

@adriansos666 Does the d-pad do anything for you ?
You do not have to map it, as the hat-directions should be picked up automatically.
You could try to set JOY_SPEED_ADJUST=11 as well as TRUE_ANALOG_JOYSTICK=0.

With TRUE_ANALOG_JOYSTICK=0 you do not disable the analog stick, it just sets the stick to digital mode.

@adriansos666 I use a ps3 clone controller and my home button toggles between two d-pad modes, only one of these two work for me.
Maybe the original ps3 controller does the same ?

Could you also do a jstest to see how and what values the d-pad sends if your controller does not have this d-pad toggle function

is your audio output hdmi or analog jack ?
If you load only roms from usb it should be no problem i think, but am not 100% sure.
you could test it with a single rom loaded from the sd-card just to be sure.

Used2BeRX

@adriansos666 I have an idea about the DPad not working. Do you have CFG_SAVE_ON_EXIT=0 ?

Try putting that to CFG_SAVE_ON_EXIT=1 and load a game, then exit the game and change it back to "0".

Try another game then let us know.

Used2BeRX

@mediamogul said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

@Used2BeRX

The individual launch commands are located in /opt/retropie/configs/atari800/emulators.cfg and /opt/retropie/configs/atari5200/emulators.cfg. However, the per-game preferences for those launch commands are located in /opt/retropie/all/emulators.cfg.

Would you, or future.child have an idea about creating a file that would internalize the configurations for the 5200/800 games rather than putting them in the "/opt/retropie/all/emulators.cfg" file? We're going to be making that file VERY crowded with at least 100 new lines, and that's assuming that people don't work on Atari 800 game configurations in the future. Doesn't seem right mucking that multi-emulator file up with Atari 5200 configuration lines.

adriansos666

@Used2BeRX I tried using both 5200 and XL configs. Here are my results (in both cases TRUE_ANALOG_JOYSTICK=0 and CFG_SAVE_ON_EXIT=1):

5200: Couldn't use neither analog or d-pad to move.
XL: Analog still have worked.

One thing I have noticed is that two new lines were added to the end of configs when exited emulator (btw. what are those for?):
SDL_JOY_0_INDEX=0
SDL_JOY_0_INDEX=1

and JOY_SPEED_ADJUST=11 entry was duplicated.

And here's another problem. I've restored 5200 config from backup and I still can't move with either analog or d-pad.

adriansos666

@future.child I see, so any analog value for used axis is considered as Atari joystick pressed in that direction. My is original PS3 controller. I have mapped button 16 as OPTION (which is home button on my pad). I'll see if I remove mapping I can toggle d-pad modes. Also, I've left all SDL_JOY_0_DIGIT entries blank (since I didn't play with them yet). I've noticed when playing with save config on exit, emulator have assigned value 0 to all those entries (and 0 is actually SELECT button on my PS3 pad). Is it a possible problem if those are left blank (I assume having multiple entries with same button assigned is no good)?

I'm using HDMI for audio. No audio issues with other emulators or Kodi. As a matter of fact, I've lcompiled Atari800 for libretro and that module plays audio without any hiccups.

I'll build RPie on spare card tomorrow and test it with roms directly on it.