Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons

Used2BeRX

kat5200 doesn't work. After looking for BIOS for about a half hour it said "Error Loading BIOS Image". Now when I restart it, it just automatically says that. I can't figure out how to do anything at that point and I have to unplug the Pi.

atari800 doesn't work. As I've said before, it just boots me back to the romlist.

lr-atari800 doesn't work. It loads a blue screen that you can type on, but nothing else happens.

Kind of annoyed that all of these massive changes were done to the Atari5200/800 in 4.4 if there wasn't any good working option that was implemented. I've read that even if you get lr-atari800 it doesn't work well anyhow and everybody seems to be trying to use kat5200 instead.

I guess I'm just going to delete all the 5200 stuff off of my brother's Pi since I don't have time to mess with any of this right now. Shame, since he just recently gave me a legitimate boxed 5200 system with 10 games.

mediamogul

@used2berx

I play 5200 games a lot and the best solution I've found is simply Atari800. It runs the most amount of games and emulates the largest amount of control peripherals which are necessary for certain games. Seeing as how you're under a time crunch, you're probably better off leaving the whole system out, but perhaps when you have some more time I could help you troubleshoot the software exiting. At first blush it sounds like a BIOS issue, but there might be some additional clues in /dev/shm/runcommand.log.

future.child

@used2berx If you still have a working system you could copy the /opt/retropie/emulators/atari800 folder.
The config files /opt/retropie/configs/atari800/atari800.cfgand /opt/retropie/configs/atari5200/atari5200.cfg.
The emulators.cfg files /opt/retropie/configs/atari800/emulators.cfg and /opt/retropie/configs/atari5200/emulators.cfgto your new system.

Otherwise i'd guess you have to install from source.

As for kat5200 freezing on adding the bios, if memory serves it had to do with the database being corrupted or not having proper permissions.

darknior

I've finished my two set Atari 5200 and 7800 some month ago.
And the 2600 with 153 games is done too but i must work on some media to really finish it ... like ever nothing perfect to take and use over the web.

Atari 5200 with 71 games :

Atari 7800 with 48 games :

With many cool homebrews i love and make media.
But i've some problems to configure games fine on my PI, @future-child do you think it's possible for you to work with me ?
We can speak easily on my Youtube videos if you want. I can share you all my medias to save you many time ;)
I can replace French Synopsis by English one, it's on my plan, i want my set was usable by every one in English.

Used2BeRX

@mediamogul Yeah. I was using the atari800 that had the upgraded controls in this thread. If you remember, over a year ago, I made a spreadsheet with all of the control configs for the Atari 5200 games as well as some Atari 800 games.

I reinstalled it using the following commands:
cd /opt/retropie/emulators/atari800/bin/
sudo cp atari800 atari800.original
sudo wget https://github.com/futurechild/atari800-rpi/blob/master/atari800?raw=true -O atari800
sudo chmod +x atari800

I have the 5 Atari BIOS files in the '/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/' folder, all the names are good. I did notice that my old setup used atari5200.rom, but the new instructions call for simply 5200.rom.... so I copied and renamed it and I now have both.

@future-child

My pi is tied up the rest of the day making a new nes_gamelist.xml. I'll double check that I have all of those files where they belong. I was pretty thourough. Thanks for the locations though.

EDIT: Yeah.... I just went over what I have on my PC. I copied all of those over as well. Remember... I had a LOT more than just a few config files. I had a few "default" ones, and a lot of games required specific configurations because of the controls. They're all copied over.

Strangely, the old "emulators.cfg" that remembered the choices before no longer remembers them, and makes completely new entries for each game that look very different than the old ones did. The old ones had a very long random number string, similar to arcade games being launched with MAMNE, where these do not.

My configs look good, or at least they are as they were over a year ago.

Could you look at those instructions I posted above to get the emulator and let me know if I need to do something else?

Do we still use the atari5200.py script with it, or was that abandoned at some point?

future.child

@darknior If you have questions i am able to answer i will do so, please pose them in english as my french is rusty at best.

future.child

@used2berx I myself never used the atari5200.py script and as far as i can tell the instructions you have used are correct.
Keep in mind the atari800 binary was compiled for retropie-4.3, i did not test it on 4.4 myself so i can't vouch for it to be working.
As for your emulators.cfg, i guess the random number string is some sort of crc for the rom + path so copying it to another install won't work (?)
Your 5 bios files are noted case exact in your config file ? linux is picky about charecter case.

Is it not easier just to clone the sd-card from you're existing setup ?

Used2BeRX

@future-child said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

@used2berx I myself never used the atari5200.py script and as far as i can tell the instructions you have used are correct.

I thought that might be the case. I had old 5200 instructions lying around. I actually had old instructions for downloading the old atari800 build in there too right next to the atari5200.py script. Only at the end did I find the one for your build... so I assumed that the .py script wasn't being used anymore.

Keep in mind the atari800 binary was compiled for retropie-4.3, i did not test it on 4.4 myself so i can't vouch for it to be working.

Bummer. I wonder why it would stop working? @mediamogul says he uses atari800. I'd think he'd at least be using your build that has all of those sweet upgrades for the controls instead of the standard one.

As for your emulators.cfg, i guess the random number string is some sort of crc for the rom + path so copying it to another install won't work (?)[/quote]

Well the new install has everything the same as far as the exact same roms/crc values and rom paths. I don't see why that wouldn't work. Here's an example of what I'm talking about though...

My original entry for Centipede:

af3162bdecbe06ab968cd407f271622b7 = "Centipede"

The entry it made today (completely ignoring that one):

[To be posted] Oops... I thought I had saved that on my PC, but I only have the old one. That one is on the new Pi, but I'm in the middle of a gamelist.xml process I can't break on the old Pi, and I only have one set of plugs, so I can't use both of them at the same time.

This should be pretty moot though. If for some reason the old entries that it made on launch didn't work, the new ones should if everything was working right. I think looking deeper into this isn't the way to go, at least until I'm able to figure out why I can't even successfully launch a single game in any of the 3 emulators.

Your 5 bios files are noted case exact in your config file ? linux is picky about charecter case.

I'll double check when I can, but as I said before, all the roms/configs/BIOS are in the exact same state as they were on the old build.

Is it not easier just to clone the sd-card from you're existing setup ?

lol... sure it would be. But then I wouldn't have any of the potential upgrades between the 4.2 version I was using and the current 4.4 version.

I've already discovered that somebody finally got around to fixing the issue where the first game or folder in a sub-folder displays all of the artwork and info automatically without having to scroll to the next one first. That was a huge annoyance to me and now it's fixed. Going to be hard for me to go back to 4.2 again after seeing that.

I knew I wasn't looking forward to figuring out the Atari 5200 stuff again, but I didn't realize that somebody broke it all on me with the upgrade. This isn't the first time I carried everything over from one pi to the next, but last time I had it all figured out in about 2 hours.

darknior

@future-child lol yes for sure, i know i always speak in english like i can ;)
Atari 7800 are working fine if i remember, because it use LR.
Atari 2600 too, the problem was always with Atari 800 and 5200.
The emulator kat5200 is really better, but it is long and fastidious to configure all the games one by one ... maybe if you have made some of them we can trade configuration file lol
I give all my Media, i release them for every one.

Like i'm working on so many systems at same time ... it will really help me.
If you can't i will stand a little to find time to understand and do it myself.

I forgot to post my Atai 800 already done too :)
With a ton of work on Media ... so many different cover size ... no videos, i must record all of them, and create Logos.
70 games available. I'm always open to add some other cool games i miss ;)

Used2BeRX

@darknior When I'm not in a rush, I may take the time to re-do all the configs in kat5200 if it's really better. But I'd have to be reasonably sure that RetroPie upgrades in the future weren't going to break my work. It took me a month to make everything work on atari800 back when I did work on it.

darknior

@used2berx If you can do it it will be really excellent :)
Like i already tell you, we can work together.

All the work you will do will never be lost because we can take the emulator source code and compile it on the new Retropie 4.4
For my part i don't change my Retropie for the moment, i stand that all was 100% stable and compatible.
Because i must recompile my OpenBOR, Amiga, Solarus and some others ...

hansolo77

Wow this sucks. I've still not bothered setting up Atari 5200 and 800 yet because I thought it was still "in the works". Now, to see somebody try it again fresh from the start and having trouble, I'm still thinking to wait. Why is this system(s) so hard to get set up?

Used2BeRX

@hansolo77 said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

Wow this sucks. I've still not bothered setting up Atari 5200 and 800 yet because I thought it was still "in the works". Now, to see somebody try it again fresh from the start and having trouble, I'm still thinking to wait. Why is this system(s) so hard to get set up?

Well... I am trying to re-setup something I put together over a year ago with the Atari800 emulator that doesn't seem to be playing nicely with the RetroPie 4.4 update. It seems that futurechild wasn't even upgrading that emulator anymore and has moved on to kat5200 now.

You might have better luck with kat5200 if you wanted to try that out. I'll eventually end up looking at it, but I'm just super disappointed that my Atari800 setup I worked so long on and nearly perfected no longer works. My brother will be too when I have to tell him.

Used2BeRX

@darknior said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

@used2berx If you can do it it will be really excellent :)
Like i already tell you, we can work together.

All the work you will do will never be lost because we can take the emulator source code and compile it on the new Retropie 4.4
For my part i don't change my Retropie for the moment, i stand that all was 100% stable and compatible.
Because i must recompile my OpenBOR, Amiga, Solarus and some others ...

I'll let you know man. I'm starting to get to the end of what I can do with the NES/FDS work I'm doing without getting a Pi 3 and upgrading my entire PC. I still need to test all the games on a Pi 3 and make an emulators.cfg that will launch all the games in the desired emulator for that platform, and I need a better computer so I can make all the HD videos. Once I get all this synopsis/gamelist stuff out of the way, those two things are really all I have left to do for Rx2.0, but they're huge things and will cost me a lot of money to get started...

Long story short, I should be able to focus a bit of my free time on this situation soon. :)

hansolo77

Wasn't 4.4 designed around the Stretch OS? Maybe hthat's where the compatibility lies. Regardless, I'm eager to set those systems up because it's what I grew up with. But I'll still delay going through all the troubles. I'm on vacation right now, and would really hate to have to go through all of the heartache and waste it.

Good luck though. I'll keep watching this thread to see if you make any positive progress!

mediamogul

@used2berx said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

I wonder why it would stop working? @mediamogul says he uses atari800. I'd think he'd at least be using your build that has all of those sweet upgrades for the controls instead of the standard one.

Actually, I'm just using the plain vanilla Atari800. Every game and control scheme works very well, including those that need analog control and/or a second action button. Something important to note however, is that I have saved all my games through the Atari800 GUI with the appropriate headers, so they load automatically when launched from Emulation Station. Also, I make use of external key-mapping to take full advantage of Atari800's versatile control schemes.

I've been running multi-emulation setups for years and have always found it imperative to employ a key-mapping solution of some sort. Otherwise, you're at the mercy of whatever tools are made available by individual software developers. For example, Atari800 emulates every possible control scheme you'll need to play any game in the Atari 8-bit family library, but the actual ability to map is somewhat lacking.

Used2BeRX

@mediamogul said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

@used2berx said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

I wonder why it would stop working? @mediamogul says he uses atari800. I'd think he'd at least be using your build that has all of those sweet upgrades for the controls instead of the standard one.

Actually, I'm just using the plain vanilla Atari800. Every game and control scheme works very well, including those that need analog control and/or a second action button. Something important to note however, is that I have saved all my games through the Atari800 GUI with the appropriate headers, so they load automatically when launched from Emulation Station. Also, I make use of external key-mapping to take full advantage of Atari800's versatile control schemes.

I've been running multi-emulation setups for years and have always found it imperative to employ a key-mapping solution of some sort. Otherwise, you're at the mercy of whatever tools are made available by individual software developers. For example, Atari800 emulates every possible control scheme you'll need to play any game in the Atari 8-bit family library, but the actual ability to map is somewhat lacking.

Yeah. I made headers for all of them using Alterra (at least I think that was the name). I wrote a guide on how to do it here in the forums somewhere.

Once I employed the joystick fixes that were done by the OP and @future.child, I made a few configs that most of the games point to, and then I had about 15 games that needed individual controller configs. This way I was able to get every game to more or less use the exact same buttons to do the exact same thing.

My spreadsheet for the control configs can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VhS4f3RFCzkPeOpyVYaWno3-Ls0EjJnj_I9WjKfvnuI/edit#gid=0

This was really a lot of work. I'm not very happy right now that it seems to be all for nothing.

Unfortunately, I have other things running that aren't going to be done for quite a while, so I can't go back in and see for sure if everything is set up right.

mediamogul

@used2berx said in Atari 5200: New version of Atari800 (Beta): two triggers (Moon Patrol!!!), hat start and exit buttons:

This was really a lot of work. I'm not very happy right now that it seems to be all for nothing.

I know that movie.

future.child

@used2berx i just loaded a fresh install of retropie-4.4 to see if my binary still works...... i can now confirm it does not.

A re-compile from source exits with message: Assertion `EGL_FALSE != result' failed.....
Presumably i am missing some dependency (sdl ?) , If i can get around to it i will see how to get this fixed.

mitu

@future-child Is the source the one available at https://github.com/jfroco/atari800-rpi ?
EDIT: nevermind, I assume it's actually your fork from https://github.com/futurechild/atari800-rpi/