Vectrex Overlay Artwork

mediamogul

@markwkidd said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

I'm having trouble visiting the recalbox forum link with the overlays that you shared

Are you speaking specifically about those overlays and not the set from my mega link? If it's the prior, I believe I could dig those up, but they were pretty poor quality. The ones I reworked for RetroArch weren't perfect either, but a huge step up. As a coincidence, I recently added an overlay for the 'Mr. Boston' variant of 'Clean Sweep'. Not being able to find one in the wild, I replicated one to match the quality of the others, based on samples I found on Ebay. I've updated the link above and will post it again here. Feel free to add them to whatever Github repo you feel is appropriate.

All things considered, it would be great if we could find someone with an original set or high quality reproductions who could simply scan them at a minimum of 300dpi for preservation. If they had legitimate experience handling graphics, they could even finalize them, but if not, the scans could be handed off to someone else. The ones I worked with were the best I could find, but have glaring anti-aliasing issues that appear to come from up-scaling. In making the 'Mr. Boston' overlay, I intentionally replicated those issues, so that it would match with the lesser quality of the existing 'Clean Sweep' overlay I used as a base.

Overlays with 'Mr. Boston' added:
https://mega.nz/#!Gk8WSKIS!cGFrmmbL2jcRZHRd92aY-tw_KKACcTqfVQG84ryJtl0

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markwkidd

I'm looking for RetroArch-compatible Vectrex overlays that exist other than the 1080 collection that exists here: https://github.com/libretro/overlay-borders/tree/master/1080 GCE Vectrex

Would you be interested in contributing your work to that repo, at least until there are better scans of the originals?

mediamogul

@markwkidd

Would you be interested in contributing your work to that repo, at least until there are better scans of the originals?

Sure. I don't even feel a claim to them, as I just adapted existing scans from vectrexmuseum.com for use in RetroArch. If you happen hear of an effort to improve the quality from the ground up, let me know and perhaps I can help avoid certain graphical issues that seem all too common in these areas.

markwkidd

@mediamogul said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

@markwkidd

Would you be interested in contributing your work to that repo, at least until there are better scans of the originals?

Sure. I don't even feel a claim to them, as I just adapted existing scans from vectrexmuseum.com for use in RetroArch. If you happen hear of an effort to improve the quality from the ground up, let me know and perhaps I can help avoid certain graphical issues that seem all too common in these areas.

Since classic Vectrex games are public domain, every once in a while I make some tiny steps towards a comprehensive RetroArch Vectrex content download pack.

A few months ago RobLoach and I updated the Vectrex ROMs that you can download through the RetroArch GUI. (Now they're No-Intro verified.) Next maybe a robust set of overlays. One day in the future -- manuals?

Just a side project.

Edit: although this is the kind of thing that would continue to gain steam if a few more people were putting their heads together. My guess is that Rob is mostly interested in this because I think Rob's interested in making homebrew and public domain games available through RA.

I'm personally interested in seeing whether it's viable to consolidate all the essential content and metadata for a freely distributed collection into an automated download via RetroArch. I think Vectrex is very cool, but I'm not especially informed about it or a fan.

ChuckyP

Thanks for the link and the work you put into the artwork for this. Always something new to add to my build, and this looks amazing.

UDb23

@mediamogul said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

improve the quality from the ground up, let me know and perhaps I can help avoid certain graphical issues that seem all too common in these areas.

That would be so cool ! I'd love to be able to play vectrex games with the same high res vectors as Advancemame provides !
Similarly to the bounty that @markwkidd created for lr-mame2003 vector rendering quality, maybe we should create a Bounty also for vectrex.

mediamogul

@markwkidd said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

Since classic Vectrex games are public domain, every once in a while I make some tiny steps towards a comprehensive RetroArch Vectrex content download pack.
I'm personally interested in seeing whether it's viable to consolidate all the essential content and metadata for a freely distributed collection into an automated download

I think it's a great idea to have these files collected together and easily available through RetroArch. I especially think it's great for Vectrex, as the artwork adds so much to the overall experience.

@UDb23

I'd love to be able to play vectrex games with the same high res vectors as Advancemame provides !

I agree. While it still doesn't scale dynamically, have you tried the new(ish) hi-res settings in the lr-vecx core options? The games look so much better now than they did early on.

UDb23

@mediamogul said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

tried the new(ish) hi-res settings in the lr-vecx core options?

Wasn't aware of that improvement, thanks ! Will try next WE.
How does it look @1080p ?

UDb23

@mediamogul said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

find someone with an original set or high quality reproductions who could simply scan them at a minimum of 300dpi for preservation.

I you find these scans I'd be happy to contribute in creating the corresponding high res retroarch overlays (vectorizing some of them if that helps getting max quality).

UDb23

Found some artwork scans here.

mediamogul

@udb23 said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

Found some artwork scans here.

Now those are pretty good scans. I only wish they hadn't had tried to remove them from the original background, as it wasn't done very cleanly, but they're easily the best I've seen by far. These would definitely be a great jumping off point for either a restoration, vectorization, or both. There are merits to both approaches. A restoration of the originals would look more authentic, but perhaps the ultra sharp quality of vector conversions would better suit the cleaner look you get with emulated Vectrex game play.

ClassicGMR

So between this thread and one on another forum I managed to get all my Vectrex overlays to load and per game. So this is nothing more than a thank you to everyone. :) This forum is great!

Clyde

Sorry for necroing this thread, but since I'm trying to get @mediamogul's overlays to work and this thread is almost the only one about Vectrex overlays in this forum, it may be a good candidate for a collective thread about this topic. If it would be better to start my own thread, please tell me so.

I'm using the unmodified files from @mediamogul on my stock Retropie 4.4 on a monitor with 4:3 1600x1200 resolution. The overlays do work, but they are not in alignment of the game graphics. Three examples:

As you can see, the overlay is a little bit too small or the game's graphics are too large. Although I could expand the overlay via an overlay0_rect option in overlays/gamename.cfg, that would cut off much of the overlay's border at the viewport's edge.

The options custom_viewport_width and custom_viewport_height won't help either, since the overlay is part of the viewport and will change its size collectively with it.

Any ideas how I can fit the overlay to the game's graphics or vice versa?

Two things I noticed while trying to solve the problem:

Retroarch seems to ignore custom_viewport_width and custom_viewport_height even if video_scale_integer is set to "false". I tried to set them to 940:1200, but RA's XMB menu still showed them to be 846:1080, which is the resolution of the overlay's png.
The same goes for aspect_ratio_index = "22" (= custom). The games still start with "core provided" and I have to set it to "custom" manually.

Any help is appreciated
Clyde

UDb23

@Clyde said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

The same goes for aspect_ratio_index = "22" (= custom). The games still start with "core provided" and I have to set it to "custom" manually.

Custom index has been changed to 23 some months ago by the RA developers.... impacting all already existing overlays using 22 in the settings.
Try replacing 22 with 23 and see if it helps with the alignment issue.

Clyde

@UDb23 Argh, I read about the change somewhere, but I somehow remembered 22 to be the new value. So I thought that it's already fixed in my config files. 😒 Thanks for the tip!

Alas, although "23" does fix my two issues about the custom viewport (the games start now with a custom viewport of 940x1200), it didn't change anything about the misalignment. I admit that I didn't expect it to, because any change I do to the viewport in the XMB menu affects both the game's graphics and the overlay alike.

Just for the books, setting video_scale_integer on or off also doesn't change anything about the alignment between the two.

rkoster

I located quite a few more Vectrex overlays than were in the old .zip file, so I have created a github repo here with all of the ones I have: https://github.com/raphkoster/vectrex-overlays

Note that these do not have .cfg files, they are just the overlays themselves. They've mostly been adapted to have PNG transparency so you don't need to set opacity lower than 1 for most of them.

DNuno

...and back to this topic!

Well, I still cannot display overlays in Vectrex Emulation on Retropie.
Note sure if it's because I'm (obviously) doing something wrong, or it's because this topic is a little bit too old and things (emulator) changed over the years?

Anyway, here's my configuration :

VecX 1.2 b78b3d1 on my RetroPie

Let's do the Job for one game : Scramble

I've downloaded the overlay file & configuration file from the link provided by @Lizard and put those files into this directory

pi@retropie:/opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch/overlay/vectrex $ ls -altri
totale 692
15976 drwxr-xr-x 19 pi pi   4096 ott 14 11:54 ..
  978 -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi 692255 ott 14 11:54 Scramble.png
 5106 -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi     95 ott 14 12:19 Scramble.cfg
88150 drwxr-xr-x  2 pi pi   4096 ott 14 12:20 .

Here's the content of the Scramble.cfg file :

pi@retropie:/opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch/overlay/vectrex $ more Scramble.cfg
overlays = 1

overlay0_overlay = Scramble.png

overlay0_full_screen = true

overlay0_descs = 0

OK, so what I'm doing next is starting the emulator, then going into its menu, and select :

MAIN MENU -> Configuration -> Load Configuration and select the Scramble.cfg file previously uploaded :

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But selecting this file push me out of the emulator :-(

What Am I doing wrong or what I missed?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Folly

@DNuno

I think you are missing a second config file near your rom.

If you rom is called Scramble.zip , make a config called Scramble.zip.cfg and place this into this cfg.

input_overlay = /opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch/overlay/vectrex/Scramble.cfg
input_overlay_enable = true
input_overlay_opacity = 0.375000
input_overlay_scale = 1.000000

#custom_viewport_width = "600"
#custom_viewport_height = "800"

#custom_viewport_width = "846"
#custom_viewport_height = "1080"
#custom_viewport_x = "0"
#custom_viewport_y = "0"

#aspect_ratio_index = "22"

#video_scale_integer = true

Hope this works for you.

davej

@DNuno said in Vectrex Overlay Artwork:

...and back to this topic!

Well, I still cannot display overlays in Vectrex Emulation on Retropie.
Note sure if it's because I'm (obviously) doing something wrong, or it's because this topic is a little bit too old and things (emulator) changed over the years?

That version of the emulator you're using is very old. Even before my GPU rendering changes, the emulator was changed to allow scaling/shifting the game screen via game options. One advantage of this new method is it defines values relative to a logical screen, so if you change the screen resolution you are using it automatically adjusts to suit and you don't need to go and edit all your game files.

You should definitely update to the latest version.

DNuno

@Folly My rom name is called : "Scramble.bin"

I have a file in that same (rom) directory called Scramble.cfg

Should I have to rename it "Scramble.bin.cfg" ? following your reply? I tried but it doesn't help anyway :-(

Anyway, here's the content of that file :

pi@retropie:~/RetroPie/roms/vectrex $ ls -altri
totale 704
 2347 drwxr-xr-x 39 pi pi   4096 ott 12 19:38 ..
 4922 -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi   4096 ott 14 11:03 Scramble.bin
69171 -rw-r--r--  1 pi pi    327 ott 14 13:28 Scramble.cfg
88151 drwxr-xr-x  2 pi pi   4096 ott 14 14:45 overlay

...that includes this :

pi@retropie:~/RetroPie/roms/vectrex $ more Scramble.cfg
input_overlay = /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/vectrex/overlay/Scramble.cfg
input_overlay_enable = true
input_overlay_opacity = 0.375000
input_overlay_scale = 1.000000

custom_viewport_width = "846"
custom_viewport_height = "1080"
custom_viewport_x = "0"
custom_viewport_y = "0"

aspect_ratio_index = "22"

video_scale_integer = true

... and inside the file

/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/vectrex/overlays/Scramble.cfg

I have this :

pi@retropie:~/RetroPie/roms/vectrex $ more /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/vectrex/overlay/Scramble.cfg
overlays = 1

overlay0_overlay = Scramble.png

overlay0_full_screen = false 

overlay0_descs = 0

But overlay still not display :-( should I check other settings in the main emulator configuration file (/opt/retropie/configs/vectrex/retroarch.cfg) ?
I tried in there to find a verbose mode to see what happened, but didn't find this option? I do not believe this line is relevant for it -> cheevos_verbose_enable = "false" ?

Any idea to debug this ?