Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA:

[barbudreadmon]

@robertvb83 said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

@mitu do I understand this correctly that the latest lr-fbalpha emulator that is active in retropie if you update from source requires an updated romset v0.2.97.43???

this would be strange because the wiki still says v0.2.97.42. see also wiki here

This is seriously depressing when people prefer trusting a web page instead of what the emulator is showing in its menu. The fbalpha2012 version shown in the wiki page is also wrong, it has been known for almost 3 years that it was not 0.2.97.30, and the emulator menu has been showing 0.2.97.29 for almost 2 years.
Trust the emulator, not a web page, web page can be outdated while the emulator generally know its own version.

And please stop asking if you need to update your romset every time there is a new release of fba : YES YOU DO

[robertvb83]

@barbudreadmon I find it a little depressing that people loose perspective and take all those things as common sense.

the whole mame, fba, roms vs. emulator versions is really not so easy to understand if you begin your retro gaming journey. It took me an insane amount of reading and brain confusion until i finally got the principle.

If you then find an official tutorial and matching table describing what romset you need for what emulator this can be like the holy grail. If those wikis are not kept up to date only insiders will keep on track. But keep in mind there are people coming into this hobby daily.

[barbudreadmon]

@robertvb83 Everything you need to know about lr-fbalpha is in the lr-fbalpha github repository, which is linked in the wiki page, up-to-date dats included.

[robertvb83]

@barbudreadmon fully understood. the thing is that the most difficult part for beginners is to get to know what you need to know.
maybe instead of describing such things in the wiki, only a link to the respective github repo should be provided

[barbudreadmon]

@robertvb83 i guess i could improve the readme in the repository with a Q&A section, direct links to the dats, and information about the command line optional argument to load non-arcade games (fba is actually an awesome emulator for gamegear, mastersystem, sg-1000, megadrive, pceengine, turbografx-16, supergrafx, and msx; it is known to run properly some games that won't on genplus_gx/picodrive).
Perhaps alternate dats (neogeo only, no-clones) would be nice too.

[robertvb83]

@barbudreadmon when trying to rebuilt the fba...43 romset i get missing roms for 1000s of games... could this be a problem of the dat file? they dont seem to exist anywhere.

missing BIOS rom: sp1-j3.bin
missing BIOS rom: sp1-u3.bin

[barbudreadmon]

@robertvb83 You shouldn't mind about those 2, see comments in https://github.com/libretro/fbalpha/commit/d14bd8b99cfc8b405eaebbd836fefb85060edae8

[will]

I was able to find a full fba .43 romset last week online. Took a while to download, but it's perfect and I didn't have to bust out clrmamepro. (Though I am well versed in how to use it)
Obviously I can't mention where to get roms at here, but it only took me about 6 minutes of searching to find it.

[dankcushions]

@robertvb83 said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

@mitu do I understand this correctly that the latest lr-fbalpha emulator that is active in retropie if you update from source requires an updated romset v0.2.97.43???

this would be strange because the wiki still says v0.2.97.42. see also wiki here

not strange - updating the wiki properly to reflect the new romset involves updating various links to datfiles, the compatibility lists (this alone takes HOURS), and quite a bit of text referring to the previous version in both the wiki and the script. i've done this myself the last couple of FBA versions, but have zero motivation to do it right now.

[dankcushions]

@barbudreadmon said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

This is seriously depressing when people prefer trusting a web page instead of what the emulator is showing in its menu. The fbalpha2012 version shown in the wiki page is also wrong, it has been known for almost 3 years that it was not 0.2.97.30, and the emulator menu has been showing 0.2.97.29 for almost 2 years.

be fair - the github for 2012 says 0.2.97.24! also, i was going to update it ages ago but then we had this conversation: https://github.com/libretro/fbalpha2012/issues/53 - i thought it was .24 with some backports from .29/.30? who knows what the right romset is to use with that thing...

[barbudreadmon]

@dankcushions said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

@barbudreadmon said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

This is seriously depressing when people prefer trusting a web page instead of what the emulator is showing in its menu. The fbalpha2012 version shown in the wiki page is also wrong, it has been known for almost 3 years that it was not 0.2.97.30, and the emulator menu has been showing 0.2.97.29 for almost 2 years.

be fair - the github for 2012 says 0.2.97.24! also, i was going to update it ages ago but then we had this conversation: https://github.com/libretro/fbalpha2012/issues/53 - i thought it was .24 with some backports from .29/.30? who knows what the right romset is to use with that thing...

I was just stating the fact people shouldn't blindly trust a wiki page. Imho, at least for lr-fbalpha, you should just link the repository for information about the last release and the dats.

[robertvb83]

@dankcushions i fully understand that. Also your leck of motivation. For mame and fba related emulation it is nearly impossible to keep everything up to date. For me it was for long time not easy to understand what this is all about. Why the heck do i need to sort ALL roms new in case of an update and not only put some new roms in the set. (i know better now, as i understand the concept more clearly)

i did not really get the point when commenting that one. I thought more in the direction that there are different types of emulators but they are pretty much fixed. and thus there is a fixed corresponding romset... so i was just confused that there would be a different fba emulator as retropie standard with a new romset that is not described anywhere

I think mame will never be a plug and play thing. If you want it working nice you have to deal with it and learn. But that is ok for me considering the insane benefit and historical meaning of this project.

[dankcushions]

@barbudreadmon said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

@dankcushions said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

@barbudreadmon said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

This is seriously depressing when people prefer trusting a web page instead of what the emulator is showing in its menu. The fbalpha2012 version shown in the wiki page is also wrong, it has been known for almost 3 years that it was not 0.2.97.30, and the emulator menu has been showing 0.2.97.29 for almost 2 years.

be fair - the github for 2012 says 0.2.97.24! also, i was going to update it ages ago but then we had this conversation: https://github.com/libretro/fbalpha2012/issues/53 - i thought it was .24 with some backports from .29/.30? who knows what the right romset is to use with that thing...

I was just stating the fact people shouldn't blindly trust a wiki page. Imho, at least for lr-fbalpha, you should just link the repository for information about the last release and the dats.

i agree - i did update all the dat links a while back to the actual files on the repo, but those links might now be dead following the update, not checked.

it's a bit difficult for us as the documentation here repeats much stuff from github readmes, but also those tend to be written for a different audience (our audience does not need to know build instructions, etc, since retropie's scripts do all that). the balance is tricky!

[barbudreadmon]

@dankcushions said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

it's a bit difficult for us as the documentation here repeats much stuff from github readmes

As a sidenote, there is quite a lot of new things in the readme, perhaps you should take a look.

[clewis]

I just tried compiling from source, and it still installs v0.2.97.42. I would like to upgrade to v0.2.97.43. Did something change or am I doing something wrong?

[mitu]

@clewis What version of RetroPie are you using ?

[clewis]

@mitu

4.4.1

I tried compiling on a RPI3 and a RPI3B+

[mitu]

@clewis If you have 4.4.1, then installing from source will get you the latest version of libretro-fbalpha from the github repository, which should be v0.2.97.43. How are you checking the version ? Note that the install script still outputs Installing .. v0.2.97.42 in the logs, but if you check in RetroArch, after starting a game, it should show the right version.

[clewis]

@mitu

I see! Let me check that.

I was hoping to play vertical classics without the need of samples, and I guess lr-mame2016 is not compiling for anyone right now? Anyway, this version of FBA is based off Mame .197? I was hoping to get more accurate colors, and not have to use sound samples.

BRB and thanks!

You were right, and it is .43

Unfortunately DK colors and sounds are not like lr-mame2016 so I'm stuck. Thanks for your help!

[barbudreadmon]

@clewis said in Shock Troopers (shocktro.zip) not loading using FBA::

Unfortunately DK colors and sounds are not like lr-mame2016 so I'm stuck

If you think something is wrong with colors or sound in current fba, give more details (DK is Donkey Kong ?).
Also, be aware that mame2016 is not current mame.