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    mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

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    • RiverstormR
      Riverstorm
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      @grant2258 - Ok I was thinking the very essence of RA is the ability to override but I suppose the point is still the same when you have two button 3's mapped and no button 6 you loose some games. I think my question comes down to a single question.

      basically you press select +x goto contols change there or remap whichever you prefer

      Yeah I call those overrides whether using select+x or manually editing the files directly. I might be using the terminology incorrectly.

      @robertvb83 - You'll have two button 3's and completely dump button 6. Why dump button 6 in favor of stacking 34 above 12, as well as, having 123 in a row in the same layout? The key being in the same layout.

      I get mapping 3 button games one way and 4 button game another way but saying I want both at the same time in the same layout and dump any 6 player games as a default global mapping definitely seems different.

      Remember this is a global remap from RA inputs to MAME inputs. If you do either mappings below at least all games work 100% as a starting point. I think either remap below is better than duplicating inputs and dumping buttons.

      123
      456
      

      or

      456
      123
      

      It sounds like a perfect override scenario using Mark's idea of a directory remap for similar panel layout games.

      Anyway I hear and understand your point but I am not sure I would vote that way! ;)

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        grant2258 Banned @Riverstorm
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        just want schematics out the way the only real question is the default buttons layout :)

        for what its worth i vote with yours mr river because of my palm rest and that how I like my buttons setup if i was using 6 buttons:)

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        • robertvb83R
          robertvb83 @Riverstorm
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          @riverstorm i explained in detail how it is most effective for me to configure all 3/4/6 button games

          i am not dumping anything. i dont map button 6 in 4 button games, whoo hoo

          there is no difference for 6 button games if you chose
          456
          123
          or
          345
          123

          in both cases 6 button games have to be changed to
          123
          456

          so i really dont get it why you keep saying i lose some benefit for 6 button games. it is just not the case

          believe it or not, the summarized effort to configure 1000 games is less if i chose my layout globally compared to your favored layout. this is the reason for me to do this and i thought many people that are bound to only 6 buttons are thinking the same. i dont care of a fitting subtype! its almost equally simple to get everything right

          My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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            grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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            http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

            not true

            123
            456

            is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

            456
            123

            swaps the kick and punch rows is all but is more comfortable for palm rest on all all other games. I know you prefer the gampad way that requires a few setups not arguing with you about this your layout is in the list!

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              grant2258 Banned @grant2258
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              @Riverstorm i added the button labels to retropie this is how it should look. I do hope retroipe add the button labels when you set your controller up

              0_1528309421247_snapshot.png

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              • robertvb83R
                robertvb83 @grant2258
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                @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

                not true

                123
                456

                is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

                this is exhausting because it is EXACTLY what i said, read my post again

                this is why i do not see any benefit of
                456
                123
                when it comes to 6 button games because you still need to change it for 6 button games

                My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                  grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                  @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                  @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                  http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

                  not true

                  123
                  456

                  is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

                  this is exhausting because it is EXACTLY what i said, read my post again

                  this is why i do not see any benefit of
                  456
                  123
                  when it comes to 6 button games because you still need to change it for 6 button games

                  yea and thats the only games you have to change sf2 :). I personally just live with the kicks and punches swapped. There has been a lot of talk on the mame forums that these buttons should be swapped at driver level. If we had both maps all we would need to do is switch between the two. no more setup required for generic games.

                  Well mk has 5 buttons thats a hard one to get right without a

                  o   o 
                    o
                  o   o
                  
                  

                  layout

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                  • robertvb83R
                    robertvb83 @grant2258
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                    @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                    I personally just live with the kicks and punches swapped.

                    wow i had no idea how crazy you are :-D

                    My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                    • RiverstormR
                      Riverstorm
                      last edited by Riverstorm

                      @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                      i am not dumping anything. i dont map button 6 in 4 button games, whoo hoo

                      We might be failing to communicate or I might not be understanding. Maybe we have two discussions happening? ;) RA has this setup and it won't change.

                      YXL
                      BAR
                      

                      Those six inputs will be mapped to MAME inputs. This is just for illustrative purposes and may not use the exact scheme but makes the point. Where is my "L" button? You're binding button 4 to R (a second time) and shifted YX to the right.

                      RYX
                      345
                      123
                      BAR
                      

                      You're favoring a 3 and 4 button layout simultaneously in lieu of any 6 button layout. Which leaves you later to address the issue of a 6th button at some point whether that be through ROM level remaps, etc.

                      This bind will be global when the layout is loaded and then you'll need to address 6 button games.

                      Using either :

                      123
                      456
                      

                      OR

                      456
                      123
                      

                      Still allows 6 button games to work and at least covers every game for everyone even if the button rows are correct or swapped as in either layout above.

                      With your suggested subtype mapping 6 buttons games will never work unless you do a ROM level override. When that subtype is loaded. That's the key right there. It (button 6) doesn't exist in that subtype with those mappings. You gimped those games in favor of a combined 3/4 button simultaneous layout.

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                      • robertvb83R
                        robertvb83 @grant2258
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                        @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                        o   o 
                          o
                        o   o
                        
                        

                        layout

                        i think
                        345
                        123
                        would suit pretty well (muahaha)

                        My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                          grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                          @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                          @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                          o   o 
                            o
                          o   o
                          
                          

                          layout

                          i think
                          345
                          123
                          would suit pretty well (muahaha)

                          and you call me crazy :D

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                            grant2258 Banned @grant2258
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                            @robertvb83 you should have just glued a snes pad onto of your cabinet :) :D

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                            • robertvb83R
                              robertvb83 @grant2258
                              last edited by robertvb83

                              @grant2258 i could not play 3 button games 123 ;-)

                              My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                              • RiverstormR
                                Riverstorm
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                                To add to the above. Your suggested layout would leave MAME button 6 to equal 'NUL' because it's left unmapped by the subtype. Any game using MAME button 6 will just simply fail to respond. Well it won't exist to actually press.

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                                • robertvb83R
                                  robertvb83 @Riverstorm
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                                  @riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                  RYX
                                  345
                                  123
                                  BAR
                                  

                                  this is not how it works! it will be

                                  345
                                  YXL
                                  BAR
                                  123
                                  

                                  My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                    grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                    @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                    @riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                    RYX
                                    345
                                    123
                                    BAR
                                    

                                    this is not how it works! it will be

                                    345
                                    YXL
                                    BAR
                                    123
                                    

                                    this is correct but the point remains the same button 6 is not assigned ! im going to drill you a extra button! lol

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                                    • robertvb83R
                                      robertvb83
                                      last edited by robertvb83

                                      my next cab will be

                                      333
                                      YXL
                                      BAR
                                      333
                                      

                                      that way its more of a Challenge because i can only use mame button 3 for ALL the games

                                      My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                        grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                        @robertvb83 thats it im removing button 3 from mame ahahah :)

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                                        • robertvb83R
                                          robertvb83 @grant2258
                                          last edited by

                                          @grant2258 ill beat the games Joystick only, no problem

                                          My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                            grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                            @robertvb83 honestly though i can see why you want it setup like gamepad. it is unusal to do this but not really a wrong thing to do if like that layout. Maybe some people want a gamepad layout instead. I prefer arcade styles is all. The good thing now is mame is flexible enough to do both regardless of default mapping now. People will have to learn RA mapping is all

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