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    mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

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    • robertvb83R
      robertvb83 @Riverstorm
      last edited by robertvb83

      @riverstorm I don't know how to explain this any better...

      I play all games up to 3 buttons with
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      I play all games with 4 buttons because I just cannot have them in a row!
      34x
      12x

      why would I care for button 6 in a 4 button game?

      and it would not help at all for 6 button games if I define globaly
      456
      123

      because these games are played
      123
      456
      and I just go into these games and make the 6button scheme right and save a game remap file

      so this is most effective. think about it I globally define
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      123
      so I can play ALL games up to 4 buttons. I don't care about 6 button games for this global scheme because I want to globaly define 99% and only adjust 1% and not the other way round

      if I would chose globaly
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      123

      that would require game specific adaption for all 4button games plus game specific adaption for all 6 Button games

      maybe someone understands my point and can put it in better words, I seem not to be able to reach anybody... but honestly I am totally fine with everything. either way, I just save my core remapping to fix everything and have a handful game remapping files. that's easy and no big deal.

      My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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        grant2258 Banned
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        @robertvb83 no need to explain what your doing your saying you have to have to the snes pad layout for 4 player games. Instead of a panel type layout

        34
        12

        4
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        which is more arcade friendly

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          grant2258 Banned
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          @Riverstorm the only problem with retro pie is its saying auto instead of the retropad name so it will be confusing when remapping.

          it adds to confustion for users when setting up so mark to talk you thorough this one.
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          • RiverstormR
            Riverstorm
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            @grant2258 - Ok I was thinking the very essence of RA is the ability to override but I suppose the point is still the same when you have two button 3's mapped and no button 6 you loose some games. I think my question comes down to a single question.

            basically you press select +x goto contols change there or remap whichever you prefer

            Yeah I call those overrides whether using select+x or manually editing the files directly. I might be using the terminology incorrectly.

            @robertvb83 - You'll have two button 3's and completely dump button 6. Why dump button 6 in favor of stacking 34 above 12, as well as, having 123 in a row in the same layout? The key being in the same layout.

            I get mapping 3 button games one way and 4 button game another way but saying I want both at the same time in the same layout and dump any 6 player games as a default global mapping definitely seems different.

            Remember this is a global remap from RA inputs to MAME inputs. If you do either mappings below at least all games work 100% as a starting point. I think either remap below is better than duplicating inputs and dumping buttons.

            123
            456
            

            or

            456
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            It sounds like a perfect override scenario using Mark's idea of a directory remap for similar panel layout games.

            Anyway I hear and understand your point but I am not sure I would vote that way! ;)

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              grant2258 Banned @Riverstorm
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              just want schematics out the way the only real question is the default buttons layout :)

              for what its worth i vote with yours mr river because of my palm rest and that how I like my buttons setup if i was using 6 buttons:)

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              • robertvb83R
                robertvb83 @Riverstorm
                last edited by

                @riverstorm i explained in detail how it is most effective for me to configure all 3/4/6 button games

                i am not dumping anything. i dont map button 6 in 4 button games, whoo hoo

                there is no difference for 6 button games if you chose
                456
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                or
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                in both cases 6 button games have to be changed to
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                456

                so i really dont get it why you keep saying i lose some benefit for 6 button games. it is just not the case

                believe it or not, the summarized effort to configure 1000 games is less if i chose my layout globally compared to your favored layout. this is the reason for me to do this and i thought many people that are bound to only 6 buttons are thinking the same. i dont care of a fitting subtype! its almost equally simple to get everything right

                My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                  grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                  http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

                  not true

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                  is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

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                  swaps the kick and punch rows is all but is more comfortable for palm rest on all all other games. I know you prefer the gampad way that requires a few setups not arguing with you about this your layout is in the list!

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                    grant2258 Banned @grant2258
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                    @Riverstorm i added the button labels to retropie this is how it should look. I do hope retroipe add the button labels when you set your controller up

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                    • robertvb83R
                      robertvb83 @grant2258
                      last edited by

                      @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                      http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

                      not true

                      123
                      456

                      is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

                      this is exhausting because it is EXACTLY what i said, read my post again

                      this is why i do not see any benefit of
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                      when it comes to 6 button games because you still need to change it for 6 button games

                      My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                        grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                        @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                        @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                        http://moosegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_1642.jpg

                        not true

                        123
                        456

                        is the six button game setup as per sf2 acrcade

                        this is exhausting because it is EXACTLY what i said, read my post again

                        this is why i do not see any benefit of
                        456
                        123
                        when it comes to 6 button games because you still need to change it for 6 button games

                        yea and thats the only games you have to change sf2 :). I personally just live with the kicks and punches swapped. There has been a lot of talk on the mame forums that these buttons should be swapped at driver level. If we had both maps all we would need to do is switch between the two. no more setup required for generic games.

                        Well mk has 5 buttons thats a hard one to get right without a

                        o   o 
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                        layout

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                        • robertvb83R
                          robertvb83 @grant2258
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                          @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                          I personally just live with the kicks and punches swapped.

                          wow i had no idea how crazy you are :-D

                          My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                          • RiverstormR
                            Riverstorm
                            last edited by Riverstorm

                            @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                            i am not dumping anything. i dont map button 6 in 4 button games, whoo hoo

                            We might be failing to communicate or I might not be understanding. Maybe we have two discussions happening? ;) RA has this setup and it won't change.

                            YXL
                            BAR
                            

                            Those six inputs will be mapped to MAME inputs. This is just for illustrative purposes and may not use the exact scheme but makes the point. Where is my "L" button? You're binding button 4 to R (a second time) and shifted YX to the right.

                            RYX
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                            You're favoring a 3 and 4 button layout simultaneously in lieu of any 6 button layout. Which leaves you later to address the issue of a 6th button at some point whether that be through ROM level remaps, etc.

                            This bind will be global when the layout is loaded and then you'll need to address 6 button games.

                            Using either :

                            123
                            456
                            

                            OR

                            456
                            123
                            

                            Still allows 6 button games to work and at least covers every game for everyone even if the button rows are correct or swapped as in either layout above.

                            With your suggested subtype mapping 6 buttons games will never work unless you do a ROM level override. When that subtype is loaded. That's the key right there. It (button 6) doesn't exist in that subtype with those mappings. You gimped those games in favor of a combined 3/4 button simultaneous layout.

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                            • robertvb83R
                              robertvb83 @grant2258
                              last edited by

                              @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                              o   o 
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                              layout

                              i think
                              345
                              123
                              would suit pretty well (muahaha)

                              My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                o   o 
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                                layout

                                i think
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                                123
                                would suit pretty well (muahaha)

                                and you call me crazy :D

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                                  grant2258 Banned @grant2258
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                                  @robertvb83 you should have just glued a snes pad onto of your cabinet :) :D

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                                  • robertvb83R
                                    robertvb83 @grant2258
                                    last edited by robertvb83

                                    @grant2258 i could not play 3 button games 123 ;-)

                                    My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                    • RiverstormR
                                      Riverstorm
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                                      To add to the above. Your suggested layout would leave MAME button 6 to equal 'NUL' because it's left unmapped by the subtype. Any game using MAME button 6 will just simply fail to respond. Well it won't exist to actually press.

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                                      • robertvb83R
                                        robertvb83 @Riverstorm
                                        last edited by

                                        @riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                        RYX
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                                        BAR
                                        

                                        this is not how it works! it will be

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                                        YXL
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                                        My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                          grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                          @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                          @riverstorm said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                          RYX
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                                          123
                                          BAR
                                          

                                          this is not how it works! it will be

                                          345
                                          YXL
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                                          this is correct but the point remains the same button 6 is not assigned ! im going to drill you a extra button! lol

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                                          • robertvb83R
                                            robertvb83
                                            last edited by robertvb83

                                            my next cab will be

                                            333
                                            YXL
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                                            that way its more of a Challenge because i can only use mame button 3 for ALL the games

                                            My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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