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    • RiverstormR
      Riverstorm @Clyde
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      @Clyde said in Backdrops in mame2003-plus:

      Maybe we should title this thread "Backdrops in mame2003-plus, and other topics we talk about when @UDb23 is temporarily unable to provide more of his excellent groundwork". 😉

      I agree! It's been good though because I spent some time tweaking games and catching up this past weekend. Organizing my mess of retro-gaming files too.

      Yeah it's a very important distinction. Where I come from we see extreme temps so we have these long lengthy discussions at work mostly. :) It's a running joke we can land a man on the moon but we can't find a cure for the common cold. The best tale-tale sign for the flu to me is the fever as that implies the body is fighting hard. Colds are just a nuisance more or less with a cough, congestion, runny nose but not a fever which is our body fighting infection.

      As for cold causing a cold I agree it can't but it wasn't quite as black and white to me to answer if cold and cold air are "safe". When down south some folks ask some good serious questions about cold. For the normal immune system I think it's fine. In fact it was around 32F/0C two weekends ago and I was out chipping ice in a long sleeve shirt, no coat, no gloves. Indoors we keep it at 69F/20.5C and that's just great for me. My youngest daughter was born to it and it's just normal to her but my wife will never fully "embrace" the cold and dislikes it. I never wear more than a flannel shirt all winter except in extreme cold. I was reading recently that "challenging" the body in cold weather strengthens our cells and keeps them healthy. Kind of like the whole cold shower trend but that's not for me. I just as soon work outside in the cold.

      Anyway sorry, to the point, cold may be an issue for folks with compromised immune systems, respiratory issues, etc. that can turn into something worse and works our system harder but I agree cold air can't cause colds--it's just that, cold air (you can't create something out of nothing like a virus) since it's a virus it's in the air vs. bacterial based infections which you need to come in contact with physically. I was watching a show on the military the other day and they feed troops, that operate in the cold, double the calories. So the body works much harder to operate in cold.

      Also interesting they say the flu vaccination can help shorten the flu if it's from the same family like influenza A or B. Do you guys over in Germany do flu vaccinations?

      Yeah I understand the reasons why they say the flu and colds are more prevalent in winter but I am still amazed how we can go from almost everyone has a cold to nothing in a few short months. Bio-warfare would be very effective in the winter. Funny thing is most of the pathogens in those weapons come from common plants located anywhere.

      Ok so that was off topic and I'll reign it in for the day but I do enjoy the conversation! :)

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      • ClydeC
        Clyde @Riverstorm
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        @Riverstorm said in Backdrops in mame2003-plus:

        Do you guys over in Germany do flu vaccinations?

        Yes, at least for the most prevalent strains of the season. News will report about them, and doctors will offer the vaccines as well as counsel about them.

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        • RiverstormR
          Riverstorm
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          @Clyde - Ok it sounds similar except we don't get much in the way of counsel. They give you the shot and send you on your way. They do promote and advertise very liberally at all levels of government to "get the flu shot" and make them available at every hospital, small clinic and corner drugstore. I appreciate you sharing as I don't often get a chance to chat with real people from other countries which is really nice.

          Just to add to the thread I did test Spy Hunter and Sky Diver lighted overlays and they work great also. Sky Diver is more like a moving lighted marquee but still fancy looking. I've test most of the games I have or remember with "LED" overlays and they all seem to work properly.

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          • ClydeC
            Clyde @Riverstorm
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            @Riverstorm I enjoy talking to people from around the world, too. It's one of the amazing possibilities of our time. 😎

            Care to share screenshots of Spy Hunter and Sky Diver along with any useful setup information?

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            • RiverstormR
              Riverstorm
              last edited by Riverstorm

              @Clyde - My screenshots with overlays clip the overlay for some reason but it's fine if there's no overlay. I don't think RA accounts for the overlay correctly. The good is there's nothing to it. Just download any pre-0.106 artwork (there's a dedicated section) from Mr. Do's website and copy it into your /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003-plus/artwork folder and run the game. No configuration required!

              EDIT: I don't know if we can post links here for Artwork or if so I can link you to the correct page.

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              • UDb23U
                UDb23 @Clyde
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                @Clyde @Riverstorm
                I’m on a business trip in uk. Almost back at 100% after my short but tough influenza (@clyde thanks the exact term used here). Seems all your knocking on wood helped, thanks :-)
                Seems also you had a nice discussion on flu etc; couldn’t read thru all of it yet.
                Thats how to make a real viral post? Lol

                For the moment just a quick reply.
                IMG_1143.jpg
                The only new testing I also did while ko was on skydiver.
                It works as @Riverstorm already found out, meaning works out of the box with mrDo’s artwork ( discontinued).
                Not checked yet if the game area ratio is actually 4/3. Anyway it looks well and I can make the overlay for it to cover the black sidebars (based on high res bezel scan).
                LEDs: before each jump a letter appears randomly; if the jump is successful (inside the target area) that letter will be lighted on. If you light them all you get a bonus if I remember well.

                MAME history’s data state that MAME v 0.78u4 implemented sounds. Mine does not have sounds so it seems 2003plus doesn’t include the additional code.

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                • UDb23U
                  UDb23
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                  Additional on skydiver: clouds are low res; already made them in vectors therefore creating a new bd zip that includes the high res clouds.
                  As said in the BD sheet the clouds are on top so l’d prefer to create a RA overlays including those and just let .art system manage the leds. Leds graphics could be improved also but takes more time and not sure if it’s worth it.

                  @Riverstorm could you kindly update the sheet with your precious testing info (if not already doing it)?
                  Btw you mentioned it gets really cold in your area in winter and you have limited number of sunny months; northern US ?

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                  • UDb23U
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                    • RiverstormR
                      Riverstorm
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                      @UDb23 - Glad you're feeling better. Ok, thanks for the explanation on Sky Diver and how the letters work. It's been to long. I was having a lot of fun with it last night though but missed the damn pad more than I hit it. Practice makes perfect. When testing I use a monitor quite often as it's close to the PC so I missed the no sound. I would like to play it with sound as it's actually still pretty fun.

                      I filled in a good number of games in the spreadsheet but you might need to clean up the notes they way you like so you can understand them better.

                      Lunar Lander, Spy Hunter and Turbo look great too, check them out you won't be disappointed. All could use some overlay love.

                      I have a hard time knowing if it's 4/3 (Sky Diver) due to the BD throws off the numbers and enlarges the game area. On my monitor it's 1280 x 1200 which is a 16/15 ratio.

                      I am in the Northern US (we call it the Upper Midwest). I can get to the Canada border in a few hours drive. If you heard of Mt. Rushmore I am close to that National Monument. Lot's of wide open spaces, country and blue sky in all directions for miles. Population density is pretty low here but I like it. Great place to raise a family, low crime and smog free. You can walk safely at night. ;) For big cities Minneapolis, MN would be the closet drive. Then Chicago, IL would be the next closet population wise.

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                      • RiverstormR
                        Riverstorm
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                        @UDb23 @Clyde - I opened an issue here on no audio in Sky Diver to see if it's an easy fix and could be implemented.

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                        • RiverstormR
                          Riverstorm
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                          Grant already added audio to Sky Diver you just need to update from source, he's quick! :)

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                          • ClydeC
                            Clyde
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                            @Riverstorm said in Backdrops in mame2003-plus:

                            Grant already added audio to Sky Diver you just need to update from source, he's quick! :)

                            @grant2258 @Riverstorm Thanks!

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                            • RiverstormR
                              Riverstorm
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                              @UDb23 - I added all the clones to the spreadsheet so the game count is up to 91. I added the parent name to the comment field for clones that aren't immediately obvious by the name. Space Invaders has a lot of clones. I tried to add them alphabetically but I think a bit of cleanup might be needed throughout the spreadsheet.

                              @Clyde - Yeah it's better with sound, yay Grant! ;) He's looking into adjusting the volume if possible on the start it's loud then it's ok once game play starts.

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                              • markwkiddM
                                markwkidd
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                                If anyone is feeling bold, and in the mood to compile, I have added backdrop support to mame2003 "classic" on a trial basis. No automatic copying of artwork or anything like that, just the functionality.

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                                • RiverstormR
                                  Riverstorm
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                                  @markwkidd - It looks good. I tested Omega Race and Space Invaders. Just a heads up for 2003 users. I did loose some core settings and had to redo my vector settings, re-enable warnings, overlay multiplier, etc. Maybe backup or jot down your settings first.

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                                  • markwkiddM
                                    markwkidd @Riverstorm
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                                    @Riverstorm Thank you for the report from pi land!

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                                    • UDb23U
                                      UDb23
                                      last edited by UDb23

                                      I recreated the skydiver backdrop with high resolution LAMPs and clouds.
                                      Also gave the LAMPs a more realistic look (colors in line with the actual cabinet).
                                      On a 1080p display the game area (including LAMPS) is 1152x1080; the original artwork from MrDo is only 1018.
                                      Also created a dedicated overlay.
                                      This is the result:
                                      IMG_1156.jpg

                                      RA overlay resolution is OK @1080 while .ART LAMPs and clouds are shown in low res (!).

                                      Pull request for artwork to be included in m3plus already sent.
                                      Overlay available in the Repo.

                                      Big thanks to @grant2258, @Riverstorm and @markwkidd for sound implementation !

                                      @grant2258 : I updated today from source to get the sound; after update:

                                      • I can no longer enter RGUI (issue only in skydiver - core freezes, reboot necessary)
                                      • Gamepad controls now default to the left analog stick instead of dpad; is that on purpose ?
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                                      • UDb23U
                                        UDb23
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                                        Almost forgot: also made a launching image
                                        alt text

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                                        • RiverstormR
                                          Riverstorm
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                                          @UDb23 - Sky Diver looks great. Grant was banned a week or so ago so I have no idea if he sees pings anymore and he can't reply. You'll have to post on the Github Plus page to talk to him.

                                          Also the issue you're having is a nightmare for me too. See bounty thread discussion here. If you get a chance can you test vector games? Vector games seem to allow entering RGUI ok but not non-vector games.

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                                          • mituM
                                            mitu Global Moderator @Riverstorm
                                            last edited by mitu

                                            @Riverstorm said in Backdrops in mame2003-plus:

                                            @UDb23 - Sky Diver looks great. Grant was banned a week or so ago so I have no idea if he sees pings anymore and he can't reply. You'll have to post on the Github Plus page to talk to him.

                                            No, he/she was not banned - https://retropie.org.uk/forum/user/grant2258. Why would the account be banned ?

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