How to Fill in the Gaps of Mame 0.78?
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@alphabetapie the ones in the recommended list are very easy to find, seriously. i can't give any advice but i would struggle to figure out to google for something related to that list that wouldn't turn them up to be honest. obviously search for the complete set and not individual roms.
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@dankcushions said in How to Fill in the Gaps of Mame 0.78?:
@alphabetapie the ones in the recommended list are very easy to find, seriously. i can't give any advice but i would struggle to figure out to google for something related to that list that wouldn't turn them up to be honest. obviously search for the complete set and not individual roms.
Yeah, but I always was a little leary of downloading things outside an established community who are typically more careful with what they upload (as to avoid virus and other malicious things that can infect you). However, after poking around on the internet archive and a few other safe sites, I did find a working set of MAME 2010. And it has virtually everything I was missing! After installing that core from the experimental packages, I'm much further along now and ready to just call it good. So I do appreciate the help.
One thing did leave me scratching my head. There are still a few games (like Street Fighter 3 for example), where I pulled the rom from the 2010 set + used the 2010 core on Retroarch, that still crash back to the main menu. Most games that don't run very well, will just be super slow or lock up at the rom check screen for example. But they will always load, they won't crash. Any idea why that might still be happening? Doesn't make sense to me, since they are both matching core+rom.
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@alphabetapie i’m not sure - i use the recommended emulators only, so i use lr-fbneo for sf3 which works great. a verbose log should show the error in 2010
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@alphabetapie said in How to Fill in the Gaps of Mame 0.78?:
One thing did leave me scratching my head. There are still a few games (like Street Fighter 3 for example), where I pulled the rom from the 2010 set + used the 2010 core on Retroarch, that still crash back to the main menu.
According to my rom list info, SF3 requires a CHD file. Chances are a verbose log would confirm this. The CHDs for MAME2010 are out there, but they were not included in the romset I found at first. They got broken into two sets I guess.
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Yup, there were a few missing, and I'm still experimenting. But I'm using a combination of .78 and 2010, which gets me very close to what I need. Thanks all! Will follow up if i have any more issues.
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Damn it. Just when I thought I'm out, I get pulled back in!
So I just went to test a few more of my games that I found in either the 2010 set or the 2016 (of the ones I was missing). Turns out, several of these are the Japanese versions of the game. Star Wars Arcade and Virtual Cop being two examples, where they only have one version in the rom.zip file I can find, and both say they are for Japan only. Is it common for some of these titles from the older sets to only have non-US versions available? Or am I missing something?
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@alphabetapie do these 3d games you're trying to run on your pi actually run with any performance? Many of them have console ports that should run much better.
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@quicksilver said in How to Fill in the Gaps of Mame 0.78?:
@alphabetapie do these 3d games you're trying to run on your pi actually run with any performance? Many of them have console ports that should run much better.
Only a few. Plus it's more about completing my collection of "wanted" games that I used to play int he arcades when I was a kid. I don't really care of they play well. Just so they load (for later down the line, if upgrades make them playable).
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@alphabetapie said in How to Fill in the Gaps of Mame 0.78?:
Damn it. Just when I thought I'm out, I get pulled back in!
So I just went to test a few more of my games that I found in either the 2010 set or the 2016 (of the ones I was missing). Turns out, several of these are the Japanese versions of the game. Star Wars Arcade and Virtual Cop being two examples, where they only have one version in the rom.zip file I can find, and both say they are for Japan only. Is it common for some of these titles from the older sets to only have non-US versions available? Or am I missing something?
it depends on how your romset was built. if it's a merged set, you may have to rename the rom.zip to the clone you want (consult the dat file). if it's a non-merged set, the clone you want may be in the collection under a different name.
OR it might be that all languages use the same rom, but you have to select the desired language via dip switches or service mode. i don't know to access those in non-recommended arcade emulators.
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@dankcushions would you happen to know off hand if most/all the mame roms in the .78 romset (default for the 2003 core) are US or at least in English? Just trying to get a good jumping off point before I start narrowing things down.
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@alphabetapie i doubt it’s going to be different to what I describe above for the roms you’ve described above - matter of selecting the right clone or options within. that said, for the games i play on 2003 i’ve never had to set a language for games that have english versions.
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Normally arcade ROMs are in the language of the region they were released in. Some ROMs have multilanguage versions, other have separate ROMs. I'm not sure what the question is. I think it's safe to say that Japanese pachinko games do not have English versions. Emulation is replication of hardware in software.
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Here is a great example. Virtual Cop plays OK in most cores. Not great, but can get it to load. I have only ever found one version of it (meaning I don't think I'm missing a clone or parent rom). The copyright screen says something to the effect of "This game is intended for use in Japan markets only..." And the text is in Japanese in the game.
Seems pretty clear cut this is not a dip switch issue, but rather a release issue. Seems strange that no US version of Virtual Cop is available. Unless, I'm missing something? I'm always willing to learn. Has anyone seen a US version floating around in another set?
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@alphabetapie most of the dat files for the supported MAME emulators in retropie are available in the docs: https://retropie.org.uk/docs/MAME/
so from there you can see how many versions of a given game there are. on latest mame i can see 2 versions of vcop and vcopa (revision A). these don't seem to be language designations.
doing some research: http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/dettaglio_mame.php?game_name=vcop
0.155: Changed 'Virtua Cop (Revision A)' from a parent set to clone.
so it might be that rev a was the japanese version and from 0.155 the parent is USA language, or it could be a system menu thing. but without logs or any kind of diagnostic info we're just guessing.
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