Sega model 3 #segamodel3

mechafatnick

@4retropietft I tried playing around with Matchbox last night but it didn't seem to want top cooperate with me. Still a small box in the middle :D

4RetroPieTFT

@mechafatnick yes matchbox isnt good, i try install desktop, figure in port, but is not intuitive or easy for normal gamers go to ports, then desktop, then launch a game directly with supermodel emulator, you can full the desktop with launcher for every game, but is not so cool like just choose the game in emulationstation

Crush

Glad to see the motivation is back, it wasn't lack of interest that kept us from vocalizing it more the overwhelming amount of info, thanks @4RetroPieTFT for making a recap/tutorial post , it's a great starting point for those (including me) to start messing with it.
The more people messing with it, the better the progress.

4RetroPieTFT

@mechafatnick look for something called ximerama, i try lr-mess-jaguar and use ximerama. Dont know i work i have the pendrive busy with an instalation for pc that i dont do it till

4RetroPieTFT

@crush I posted in my web and comment here but with hyperlink, so no one see it haha, and just a few post later red about the need of instructions, that are already in the entire post, so put it here writing t, without the need to go out from here. Thanks. And i dont have reputation for vote, less when in other post i said where to download bios, mtu came to the jugular for copyright hehe, so less reputation.

Folly

@4retropietft

Please ,
Don't delete your posts !
??????

mitu

@folly I restored the posts, however the behavior of the user is not something that's welcomed.

Folly

@mitu

Haven't read all the posts.
I understand seeing it now.
Btw, Thanks for restoring it ;-)

Rommell76

Hi Everybodies

I am struggling since 1 week around this problem

Everything works perfectly if i launch a game from the terminal

But if i launch it from retropie game starts but wont load the Supermodel.ini file ( that is in the correct directories and shortcut )
Any idea ? I really lack of options

Folly

@rommell76

From your log I can see that you compiled supermodel manually and that you have created the configs also manually.

If you have the line /home/pi/supermodel/bin/supermodel etc. in your emulator.cfg, then It will search the supermodel.ini in the path you are in.
Presumably you are in /home/pi , so it will look in that directory for the supermodel.ini not in /home/pi/supermodel/bin .

If you run it manually, I presume you are already in the path /home/pi/supermodel/bin , running it from there will find the supermodel.ini because you are in the correct path.

My line looks like this :
XINIT:pushd /opt/retropie/emulators/supermodel;/opt/retropie/emulators/supermodel/bin/supermodel

We use pushd here so it will use the correct path and find the supermodel.ini.
As your location is different, you have to change to line to your needs.

ChaosEffect

This thread has been super informative!

I became aware of this emulator only a few days ago and am approaching it with a specific use case: Sinden lightguns. The Lost World seems to run great, and The Ocean Hunter seems mostly great aside from maybe some graphical glitches.

I know that it is possible in Windows, but is it possible to activate a raw-input mode for multiple mice for Supermodel in Linux/RetroPie?

The guns are recognized as mice and use built-in cameras to track the game screen based on a superimposed border. In RetroArch, it is easy to apply the border using an overlay. That leads to my second question: can I apply an overlay in Supermodel on a Pi? As above, this is possible in Windows with some Windows-specific configuration.

Finally, I don't think I understand some of the settings. I do understand changing the resolution and the negative effect a higher resolution can have on performance, but is there a way to keep the lower resolution and scale the game screen bigger via stretching? The stretch option in the .ini doesn't seem to be doing anything for me, unless, like I mentioned, I just don't understand what it is supposed to do. EDIT: Just change the video mode in the runcommand menu.

prince_rakeem

Great stuff going on here all!

I have a Sinden lightgun that I was able to get configured in supermodel on Pi4 using Lost World as a test bed. I was able to get coin and start mapped, and also the trigger and pump action. I am able to calibrate the guns in the game's test menu, but the lack of a white border seems to be causing the lightgun to not register properly in-game. The Sindens are a combination camera/mouse/keyboard USB device and use a white border around the gameplay screen as a reference point to know when the camera has been pointed outside the game screen. For other systems, using the libretro cores makes adding a border easy since it can be done via an on-screen overlay. I was wondering if there is a way to add borders to supermodel in some way (maybe via a 3rd party app)? I'm looking to add something like this:
border example.PNG

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Folly

@prince_rakeem

I think you are on your own, I have no good idea how to solve this.

But maybe you can use matchbox-window-manager.

Here is an example on how matchbox is used :
https://github.com/FollyMaddy/RetroPie-Share/blob/main/00-scriptmodules-00/emulators/b-em-allegro4.sh

How to install :

sudo apt install matchbox-window-manager

List help :

matchbox-window-manager --help

List manual :

man matchbox-window-manager

Links with more information :
https://www.cxymm.net/article/coco1002/100231912
http://matchbox-project.org/docs.html ( Matchbox Client communication specifics.)

kbdconfig file examples :
http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/developers/matchbox-key.txt
http://www.filewatcher.com/p/matchbox-window-manager_0.9.3-1_i386.deb.141524/etc/matchbox/kbdconfig.html

DirtBagXon

We may have an upcoming solution for Sinden:

Credit to @prince_rakeem

Lost World
Star Wars Trilogy

Folly

@dirtbagxon

Looks nice !

What is the solution ?

ChaosEffect

I have been helping test that solution, and it's been awesome! Thank you so much for all of the work!

I am running into a weird issue with "The Lost World: Jurassic Park," though. The calibration screen for the gun in the Raspberry Pi version of the emulator only gives me the option to shoot the center target. The screen is also blue. On Windows, I get what the operator manual shows as the proper calibration screen: black background with the option to choose to shoot up, down, left, right, and center targets. I am using the exact same ROM for each. The only difference is that the Windows version is the latest version of Supermodel. Are there some BIOS differences? I don't understand how the same ROM can give two completely different menu options.

DirtBagXon

@chaoseffect said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

I have been helping test that solution, and it's been awesome! Thank you so much for all of the work!

I am running into a weird issue with "The Lost World: Jurassic Park," though. The calibration screen for the gun in the Raspberry Pi version of the emulator only gives me the option to shoot the center target. The screen is also blue. On Windows, I get what the operator manual shows as the proper calibration screen: black background with the option to choose to shoot up, down, left, right, and center targets. I am using the exact same ROM for each. The only difference is that the Windows version is the latest version of Supermodel. Are there some BIOS differences? I don't understand how the same ROM can give two completely different menu options.

Working on a new version based on r876 from SVN trunk.

This shows as you describe in Linux Ubuntu, being tested on the Pi:

Calibration

DirtBagXon

@chaoseffect

For the blue screen and limited options, check your Games.xml for :

<game name="lostwsga">
 .....
 <input type="common" />
    <input type="analog_gun1" />
    <input type="analog_gun2" />
 </inputs>

Using input type of just gun1 and gun2 will give you the limited blue screen, using analog_gun* will give you the menu options you describe:

analog_gun

ChaosEffect

@dirtbagxon Ah, thank you so much! Once again, I and everyone else using Sinden guns really appreciate what you're doing! I do indeed get that different calibration menu when switching to analog_gun.

There is a little issue with how the gun reacts to the edges of the screen in either "gun" or "analog_gun" mode with Lost World. My best way of explaining it is that the game thinks the play area is smaller than it is. I get, say, 3/4 of the way across the screen horizontally and my cursor is already touching the boundary of the game area. If I move closer to the actual edge, the cursor goes out of bounds.

The emulator doesn't seem to like it when you try to press mouse buttons while the cursor is outside of the play area, so calibration is proving difficult. I temporarily remapped the trigger to a keyboard key, but it still seems unhappy that the cursor is sitting out of bounds.

Hopefully this is just a setting in the emulator and doesn't need more work, but I'm curious if the cursor can be trapped in the actual game/border area.

DirtBagXon

@chaoseffect said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

@dirtbagxon Ah, thank you so much! Once again, I and everyone else using Sinden guns really appreciate what you're doing! I do indeed get that different calibration menu when switching to analog_gun.

There is a little issue with how the gun reacts to the edges of the screen in either "gun" or "analog_gun" mode with Lost World. My best way of explaining it is that the game thinks the play area is smaller than it is. I get, say, 3/4 of the way across the screen horizontally and my cursor is already touching the boundary of the game area. If I move closer to the actual edge, the cursor goes out of bounds.

The emulator doesn't seem to like it when you try to press mouse buttons while the cursor is outside of the play area, so calibration is proving difficult. I temporarily remapped the trigger to a keyboard key, but it still seems unhappy that the cursor is sitting out of bounds.

Hopefully this is just a setting in the emulator and doesn't need more work, but I'm curious if the cursor can be trapped in the actual game/border area.

I'm kinda at a disadvantage here, as I don't actually own a Sinden.

I assume you are part of the Discord channel as you have the binary, I can only refer you to those guys at the moment.

Most of the Input systems in this emulator are coded and designed to work with "Windows Direct/Raw Input ".

Linux Input support is restricted to SDL only, including support for only one mouse or lightgun.

  Option:         -input-system=<s>

    Description:    Sets the input system.  This is only available on Windows,
                    where the default is 'dinput' (DirectInput).  SDL is used
                    for all other platforms.  Valid choices for <s> are:

                        dinput      DirectInput.
                        xinput      XInput
                        rawinput    Raw Input.
                        sdl         SDL.

                    See the section on input systems for more details

// Create input system
if (selectedInputSystem == "sdl")
  InputSystem = new CSDLInputSystem(s_runtime_config);
#ifdef SUPERMODEL_WIN32
else if (selectedInputSystem == "dinput")
  InputSystem = new CDirectInputSystem(s_runtime_config, s_window, false, false);
else if (selectedInputSystem == "xinput")
  InputSystem = new CDirectInputSystem(s_runtime_config, s_window, false, true);
else if (selectedInputSystem == "rawinput")
  InputSystem = new CDirectInputSystem(s_runtime_config, s_window, true, false);
#endif // SUPERMODEL_WIN32

int CSDLInputSystem::GetNumMice()
{
  // Return ANY_MOUSE as SDL 1.2 cannot handle multiple mice
  return ANY_MOUSE;
}

So SDL INPUT implementation is based around old SDL1, although the emulator is now using SDL2. So this needs updating.

I am not really going to tackle modifying or adding support to the emulator itself, there is an active team on SourceForge working on this. You should communicate with them and relay you are talking about the Linux SDL input system for these issues. They may accept feature requests....

The Sinden border I am happy to add to whatever state the underlying emulator is currently in (currently we have trunk HEAD from SVN ), but this is still "in testing" at the moment. So lots of experimentation still. But please report back to the Discord channel on issues. I'm sure it will be documented on what can/can't currently be achieved....