So is the Raspberry Pi 5 dead?

[scaramoosh]

I remember getting the older ones years ago and development for them was fast. However with the Raspberry Pi 5, nothing seems to support it and no one seem enthusiastic about it. So is it dead now? What replaced it?

[phillip_benoit]

@scaramoosh I can't speak for everyone in the world but the people I've talked to are dissatisfied with Retropie and ARM. The functionality and price aren't living up to expectations and people are moving to mini PCs with x86/64 processors. The 5 does have people working on it but the total community enthusiasm is down and the new graphics system is harder to work with. It should happen eventually but if you need something immediately, you will need to look into other options.

[ionx]

I don't think that is dead. You can choose between four different retro projects just a few months after the official release of the hardware.

If a Pi is the right choice depends on what system you want to emulate.

[mitu]

@scaramoosh said in So is the Raspberry Pi 5 dead?:

I remember getting the older ones years ago and development for them was fast

Is this a troll post ? The 1st (pinned) topic in the category is titled Raspberry Pi 5 - official announcement and has almost 500 posts, with users posting how to install and run RetroPie on it, reporting bugs and suggesting improvements.

[ExarKunIv]

@mitu I think it's more people being inpatient. Since other teams have images already out and no longer in beta

they expect Retropie to be the same
It's just a guess

[sirhenrythe5th]

Is this a troll post ? The 1st (pinned) topic in the category is titled Raspberry Pi 5 - official announcement and has almost 500 posts, with users posting how to install and run RetroPie on it, reporting bugs and suggesting improvements.

I am not inpatient!
I bought a Raspberry Pi5-Starter Kit a couple of months ago and the package is still unopened and waiting for an official retropie-release.
As you @mitu recommend to use the manual setup described by users: does that mean that this official stup might never be released?
Or propably the release of the Raspberry Pi6 will be earlier?
Would be ok to me!, i just disliked the idea to do a manual installation and run into problems that i would not have with an official image ;)

[mitu]

As you @mitu recommend to use the manual setup described by users: does that mean that this official stup might never be released?

The manual setup is as 'official' as it gets. The image is largely just the manual setup that's run over a pristine RaspiOS image.

Or propably the release of the Raspberry Pi6 will be earlier?

Can't tell, just like with the PI5, I don't know beforehand. I think not.

[sirhenrythe5th]

@mitu thank you very much mitu.
OK, so next project....manual installation.
AFAI dont use any experimental cores it might work from the start, i am pretty excited ;)

[mitu]

@sirhenrythe5th said in So is the Raspberry Pi 5 dead?:

OK, so next project....manual installation.

Remember that the Pi5 has no out-of-the-box video analog output (i.e. composite). You can get composite through a couple of pins, but I think is video only, no audio.

[sirhenrythe5th]

@mitu i am impressed that you even remember that i am one of those "CRT-guys" :D
I will use regular HDMI-Out in the first step, as i did with the Pi4.
I did not give up the idea of connecting a current Pi to my CRTs, but that is a future project, thinking of a HDMI-Scart-Converter...but i have to collect a lot of information in advance.

Thanks a lot and kind regards!

[mth75]

@scaramoosh At the moment I'm developing my Pi5/Retropie build. So not quite dead ...

[mth75]

@mitu What is the status of Vulkan/Mesa integration? I'm not quite successful with installing those in a workable fashion.

[mitu]

@mth75 said in So is the Raspberry Pi 5 dead?:

What is the status of Vulkan/Mesa integration?

Not merged yet - https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/pull/3785. Though it's nothing spectactular since the usual suspects don't benefit from it on a Pi5:

• PPSSPP needs x11 when using Vulkan
• Dolphin doesn't work with Vulkan

[mth75]

@mitu I'm hoping Vulkan with Box64/Wine64 will result in more interesting games running.

Thx for the info!

[mitu]

@mth75 said in So is the Raspberry Pi 5 dead?:

I'm hoping Vulkan with Box64/Wine64 will result in more interesting games running.

In this case you don't need anything on the RetroPie side, the Vulkan driver is part of Mesa and it should work on the desktop regardless of RetroPie's Vulkan support for emulators or not.

[ionx]

@mitu I think the most benefits from Vulkan come with Naomi and Naomi 2 games that don't run at full speed with OpenGL.

[mitu]

@ionx said in So is the Raspberry Pi 5 dead?:

@mitu I think the most benefits from Vulkan come with Naomi and Naomi 2 games that don't run at full speed with OpenGL.

Got any specific number comparins performance on a Pi5 with GLES vs Vulkan ?

[ionx]

@mitu

Yes, Club Kart European Session (Naomi 2) experiences massive frame drops, dropping under 50 fps in busy areas without Vulkan. However, with Vulkan and the 'per strip to fast' setting in lr-flycast, it runs at full speed, maintaining a steady 60 fps.

Similarly, Airline Pilots (NAOMI) experiences improved performance with Vulkan, running at full speed without frame drops.

It seems that lr-flycast-dev benefits greatly from this.

[mth75]

@mitu

@mitu said in So is the Raspberry Pi 5 dead?:

art of Mesa and it should work on the desktop regardless of RetroPie's Vulkan support for emulators or not.

I'm running from within ES'ses carousel (init/matchbox-window-manager). I don't want a desktop installation (so bookworm lite + Retropie).

[Jiryn]

@sirhenrythe5th
I'll fully admit I'm a little impatient now
I bought it last year around Nov/Dec and expected to see a RetroPie in 5-6 months....
it feels like it's well over due.
But as long as it works, and I can play some almost perfect System 32 Goodness.