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    Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone

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      Folly @bbilford83
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      @bbilford83 said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

      @Folly thank you! It's interesting, there is a MAME software list set for VC4000 and it has 37 games in it, which seems to match the 40 games (with three unreleased) listed on wikipedia for VC4000. They are all zipped bin files. But even though the Elektor is described as able to run these games with an added "cartridge slot," it seems like the Elektor somehow still had its own games before the VC4000 existed. The wikipedia page for the Elektor says "Many VC 4000 games were adapted versions of TV Games Computer games" which wouldn't make sense if there weren't some (non-cartridge?) games that existed first on the Elektor.

      Re: the inputs/mapping, it seems like the Elector controller (which I can't find a picture of) didn't have the "keypad" buttons that the VC4000 had. Probably the better way to go about it is to just install the VC 4000 and try the games that way, but it does seem odd there is no way to play whatever "Elektor-only" games it had.

      Good thinking,
      Seems like these games aren't added in the software-list.
      There are more systems that don't have that.
      I think it due to how much time and effort the mame dev's can, are willing and are able to put into it.
      Not sure enough, but I think I also read in a doc from the archive that many program listings have been lost over time.

      I'm solo parenting for the week but may try to mess around with this a bit over the next few days.

      Let me know if you find some more info about this.
      Have you found the .tvc to try ?

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        Folly @bbilford83
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        @bbilford83

        I found quite some stuff.
        It seems to be hit or miss.
        Search for "elektor amigan".
        pro files can be loaded as cart (you might have to rename to bin)
        tvc files can be loaded as quik
        Helicopter seems to work ok.
        Stuff for the enhanced version don't seem to work.

        Edit:
        There is a list called ess.txt which contains the start adres of the programmes.
        For example :
        09-D Raster Raster $08C0-$0FFF $0900 E Yes

        Found in the doc's that when you press "p" you will view that start adres.
        If not then you can enter that start adres.
        After that you press the "up" key to start the program.
        I had to use another key to get Raster going, not sure yet which one but Raster began to run and I used the "-" key to shoot the green box.

        I have made a key-layout picture.
        The right part is like a numpad and seems to be used for controlling the directions in a game.
        For RocketShooting A=up,2=down,5=left,7=right,6=shoot
        kb-elektor.png

        This should be the solution to get more working.

        Conclusion for me is that you have to read the documents thoroughly to understand this computer in order to play with it.

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          bbilford83 @Folly
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          @Folly Thank you very much for jumping in, doesn't seem as straightforward as I would hope. But I didn't know about the Interton VC4000 before and since that has a mame software list I may try to get that working and add a gamelist to my shared gdrive folder. Seems much more straightforward control-wise too.

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            Folly @bbilford83
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            @bbilford83

            Indeed, good choice to begin with !

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              TPR @Folly
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              @Folly I've been searching around trying to find the answer, but figured you'd be a good one to ask... if I'm wanting to try to get CD-I up and running on a Pi 5 build, where is a good place to start now?

              I haven't seen anyone mention this in a while and I'm not sure how outdated some of the previous information is.

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                Folly @TPR
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                @TPR said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                @Folly I've been searching around trying to find the answer, but figured you'd be a good one to ask... if I'm wanting to try to get CD-I up and running on a Pi 5 build, where is a good place to start now?

                I haven't seen anyone mention this in a while and I'm not sure how outdated some of the previous information is.

                You can use my script and install cdimono1.
                3 patches are installed to get it working like it should.
                Info is displayed so you can read what they do.
                However there is no guarantee it will work for you.

                Second option is to use the module-script lr-same_cdi.
                The module script is here now (removed it from my repository):
                https://github.com/Exarkuniv/RetroPie-Extra/tree/master/scriptmodules/libretrocores
                lr-samecdi is a patched lr-mess with only the cdimono1 driver compiled.
                It has been a while since I used that, so not sure if it will work better than regular mame and lr-mess

                Can you tell me know what works best ?

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                  TPR @Folly
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                  @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                  @TPR said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                  @Folly I've been searching around trying to find the answer, but figured you'd be a good one to ask... if I'm wanting to try to get CD-I up and running on a Pi 5 build, where is a good place to start now?

                  I haven't seen anyone mention this in a while and I'm not sure how outdated some of the previous information is.

                  You can use my script and install cdimono1.
                  3 patches are installed to get it working like it should.
                  Info is displayed so you can read what they do.
                  However there is no guarantee it will work for you.

                  Second option is to use the module-script lr-same_cdi.
                  The module script is here now (removed it from my repository):
                  https://github.com/Exarkuniv/RetroPie-Extra/tree/master/scriptmodules/libretrocores
                  lr-samecdi is a patched lr-mess with only the cdimono1 driver compiled.
                  It has been a while since I used that, so not sure if it will work better than regular mame and lr-mess

                  Can you tell me know what works best ?

                  I will give the lr-samecdi a try first. That one I can wrap my head around easily.

                  I'm not exactly sure what I need to install with your script exactly. There's a LOT to go through in this topic and it was a little much for me, not gonna lie.

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                    TPR @Folly
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                    @Folly So looks like lr-same_cdi works pretty well and pretty easily. I assume still no way to get the digital video games running? Aside from that initial tests seem pretty positive!

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                      Folly @TPR
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                      @TPR

                      Thanks for the info.
                      Indeed, digital video games do not work.

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                        TPR @Folly
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                        @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                        @TPR

                        Thanks for the info.
                        Indeed, digital video games do not work.

                        Then I would say the lr-samecdi script is a success! Thank you!

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                          TPR @Folly
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                          @Folly I have found one game that seems to have a scrambled screen:
                          Pac-Man Screen Shot 11-11-24, 11.23 AM 2.png

                          Adventures of the Space Ship Beagle. Not sure if it's just not emulated well, but I tried two different roms and the same results. This one doesn't require the digital video adapter but I'm going to guess it just isn't emulated in MESS properly?

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                            Folly @TPR
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                            @TPR

                            I can't find that game in the cdi.xml hash table so your probably right that it will not work correctly.

                            Edit :
                            Just tried it too and it didn't work on mame 0.266.
                            I think it could be an NTSC-J issue something is described over here :
                            https://retrostuff.org/2020/01/11/philips-cdi470-pal-ntsc-modification/

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                              TPR @Folly
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                              @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                              @TPR

                              I can't find that game in the cdi.xml hash table so your probably right that it will not work correctly.

                              Edit :
                              Just tried it too and it didn't work on mame 0.266.
                              I think it could be an NTSC-J issue something is described over here :
                              https://retrostuff.org/2020/01/11/philips-cdi470-pal-ntsc-modification/

                              Yep, must be it... I just tested "AIUEO" which is another Japan exclusive and it did the same thing.

                              So far in my testing, all US and EU non-digital video required roms do seem to work perfectly. Also, I added .cue to the es_systems and cue/bin files seem to load up just fine. Not sure if that's something that helps you out or not, but so far I've tested .chd and .cue/bin to work fine.

                              However I did notice that .cue/bin files in a .zip file do not seem to load.

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                                Folly @TPR
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                                @TPR said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                Yep, must be it... I just tested "AIUEO" which is another Japan exclusive and it did the same thing.

                                I tested "Anniversary - Yuki Saito (Japan)" and does work with a small glitch so I am not yet convinced if it is an NTSC issue.

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                                  TPR @Folly
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                                  @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                  @TPR said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                  Yep, must be it... I just tested "AIUEO" which is another Japan exclusive and it did the same thing.

                                  I tested "Anniversary - Yuki Saito (Japan)" and does work with a small glitch so I am not yet convinced if it is an NTSC issue.

                                  If you figure out any solution for those Japanese games, please let me know! I'll keep trying things on my end too.

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                                    DTEAM @TPR
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                                    @Folly

                                    MAME 0.271 is released

                                    265-in-1 Handheld Game (SPG2xx based) [David Haywood, TeamEurope] (All in 1)

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                                      Folly @DTEAM
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                                      @DTEAM
                                      I might update if I have the time for it.

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                                        TPR @Folly
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                                        @Folly I'm considering adding FM Towns to my Pi 5 build. What would be the best steps to follow to get that set up?

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                                          Folly @TPR
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                                          @TPR said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                          @Folly I'm considering adding FM Towns to my Pi 5 build. What would be the best steps to follow to get that set up?

                                          I would start with installing the fmtowns from my script.
                                          My script will add 6M of ram to the runcommand.
                                          More ram will mean that games will run that need that extra ram.

                                          Then get the bios roms and the chd's and place them in the correct folders.

                                          If you want to test some others then you can also try :
                                          Driver fmtowns (FM-Towns (Model 1 / 2)):
                                          Driver fmtownsftv (FM-Towns II FreshTV):
                                          Driver fmtownshr (FM-Towns II HR):
                                          Driver fmtownsmx (FM-Towns II MX):
                                          Driver fmtownssj (FM-Towns II SJ):
                                          Driver fmtownsux (FM-Towns II UX):
                                          Driver fmtownsv03 (FM-Towns (unknown, V03 L01 00 91/07/09)):
                                          Driver fmtmarty (FM-Towns Marty):
                                          Driver fmtmarty2 (FM-Towns Marty 2):
                                          Driver carmarty (FM-Towns Car Marty):

                                          For the fmtmarty's 4M will be added.
                                          I believe carmarty has issues and no ram will be added by my script.

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                                            testudo @TPR
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                                            @TPR said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                            @Folly I have found one game that seems to have a scrambled screen:
                                            Pac-Man Screen Shot 11-11-24, 11.23 AM 2.png

                                            Adventures of the Space Ship Beagle. Not sure if it's just not emulated well, but I tried two different roms and the same results. This one doesn't require the digital video adapter but I'm going to guess it just isn't emulated in MESS properly?

                                            I saw this listed in the comment section of a YouTube video of the game:

                                            "@MrBurnsObscureGamesTester
                                            1 year ago
                                            There's a handful of discs like this one that was released 1989/1990 that only work on early cdi test/dev/monitor units"

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